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so did the founders have it all wrong?

Posted on: February 18, 2021 at 08:20:41 CT
ashtray UF
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maybe you don't believe in the principles they were trying to base a nation on. Their mistake was thinking a federal government wouldn't grow, but the entire idea was to create a government that protected those rights.

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Those of you who mock religion and scorn people - hokie VT - 2/18 07:43:17
     nothing wrong with people believing in religion - ashtray UF - 2/18 07:48:17
          Does "forcing it" on you include displaying public - hokie VT - 2/18 09:35:04
               no, I don't mean that at all - ashtray UF - 2/18 10:13:25
               can you stop being stupid and have a discussion - pickle MU - 2/18 09:42:38
          But everyone has to accept your vision of Natural Rights? - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:02:10
               Force vs persuasion. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/18 08:03:23
                    Other than the muzz, who forces religion on people? nm - hokie VT - 2/18 08:24:57
                         the Catholic church has, and other religions - pickle MU - 2/18 08:28:33
                    You have failed to persuade many here. Yet you still demand - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:14:11
                         did you and RHAY go to the same school? - pickle MU - 2/18 08:15:01
                              No, your arguments all hinge on your belief in Natural - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:18:00
                                   no one on this board who supports natural rights - pickle MU - 2/18 08:20:58
                                        Other than you, every single day, every single post. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 08:23:36
                                             why do you not know what demand means? - pickle MU - 2/18 08:24:52
                                                  Old enough to know I'm arguing with a child. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 08:31:47
                                                       But he will demand that you accept his views or he will take - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:38:26
                                                            i guess you two did go to the same school - pickle MU - 2/18 08:40:45
                                                       why do you not know what demand means? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:37:34
                                   so did the founders have it all wrong? - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:20:41
                                        The founders believed in a creator, something those here - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:37:16
                                             "inalienable" "secure" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:40:13
                                             that’s incorrect. they said “all men” - pickle MU - 2/18 08:39:36
                                                  The US Constitution done NOT apply to all men. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:59:21
                                                       Yes, it does. Everyone on earth has constitutional - pickle MU - 2/18 09:22:27
                                                            NO they don't you idiot. Afghanis are currently faced with - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:28:29
                                                                 you’re incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 09:41:36
                                                       false - ashtray UF - 2/18 09:04:16
                                                            Damn! Learn to read. I said a man IN China. A man in - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:14:02
                                                                 Yes, he does. When the US gvmt is opposing party - pickle MU - 2/18 09:23:55
                                                                      You are adding things to try and make an argument. I said - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:30:50
                                                                           no, you need to back up to the beginning - pickle MU - 2/18 09:48:04
                                                                                And I corrected that because I knew your pedantic mind - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:25:36
                                                                                     Everyone on earth has those same constitutional protections(nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:55:17
                                                                 nobody has ever said otherwise - ashtray UF - 2/18 09:15:13
                                                                      No I am not. I pointed out that the Constitution does NOT - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:17:43
                                                                           the Constitution applies to the federal gvmt, not to people - pickle MU - 2/18 09:26:52
                                                                           but you keep using the word citizen, that's the issue (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 09:18:52
                                                                                And because I am discussing this with pedantic idiots in the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:24:04
                                                                                     words have meaning, especially in this context - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 09:27:42
                                                                                     And you’re still wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 09:24:40
                                             that's incorrect - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:39:11
                                                  Which is exactly what I said. They believed those rights - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:10:45
                                                       so nature is a faith? - ashtray UF - 2/18 09:13:18
                                                            Prove that natural rights come from nature. Can you - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:20:42
                                                                 natural, meaning not artificial (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 09:27:29
                                        he has said he disagrees with them (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:25:56
                                             Actually I have never said that. As Pizzle would say 'Learn - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:40:28
                                                  founders: "truths", DH: "opinion" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:46:43
                                                       founders: "inalienable" DH: "only possess if guaranteed by - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:49:52
                                                            founders: "Liberty" DH: " 75% liberty" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:51:03
                                                                 founders: "self evident" DH: “opinion” (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:54:50
                                                  everybody was created by nature - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:43:06
                                                  Oh, Pizzle is Spanky - pickle MU - 2/18 08:41:25
                                             then he disagrees with the very founding of the nation - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:29:20
                                                  no doubt about that (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:29:57
                                             I summarized his disagreements with them here - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:27:31
               natural rights theory isn't a religion - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:03:04
                    It most definitely is. There is no basis for it outside of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:12:36
                         it's a philosophical idea that follows logic - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:15:40
                              Then use logic to prove them. None of you have successfully - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:18:46
                                   you don't have the attention span nor the willingness - ashtray UF - 2/18 08:22:32
                                        NO every time any of you fools have tried you have failed - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:01:53
                                             I just did - ashtray UF - 2/18 09:05:09
                                                  You're an idiot. Also an observation. You are unable to - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:15:44
                                                       so you're saying you weren't created by nature? - ashtray UF - 2/18 09:17:22
                                                            No it is not you fool. Calling them Natural Rights does not - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 09:49:40
                                                                 They have always existed - pickle MU - 2/18 10:17:03
                                                                 so breathing is natural but your creation was not - ashtray UF - 2/18 10:15:10
                         who is “Pizzle”? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:13:22
                              It is a term used for a cock. I will let you figure it out - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 08:15:36
                                   who is “Pizzle”? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:21:18
               why are you stupid? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 08:03:02
                    a question you should ask yourself but sadly don't. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 08:17:47
     We knew this before a study - raskolnikov MU - 2/18 07:45:52
          Not everyone is as smart as you. Shouldn’t you be at work? - hokie VT - 2/18 07:48:56
     so what's your comment? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 07:45:34
          Shocking, the cowardly swamprat responds with a question. Nm - hokie VT - 2/18 07:47:28
               you didn't ask me to comment hokie - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 07:52:32
                    mocking religions other than Christian is different, I guess - ashtray UF - 2/18 07:57:43
                    he won’t get that at all (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 07:56:40
                         yeah, I know - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 08:28:13
     wrong board (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 07:43:56




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