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Posted on: February 16, 2021 at 08:19:11 CT

SwampTiger MU

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I didn't read the article but saw this quote....

Lord Sumption—"China is not a liberal democracy. It is a totalitarian state…Many people believe that it is OK to be like China for a time, because when the crisis ends we can go back to being like Britain again. These people are making a serious mistake."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/15/liberal-democracy-will-biggest-casualty-pandemic/

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lockdowners - SwampTiger MU - 2/16 08:19:11

The pandemic will calm down now that the election is over, - MU-TULSA MU - 2/16 08:53:44

i think the jobama weather machine has created this - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/16 08:29:33

Next will be a swarm of locusts, right? - tarheeltiger MU - 2/16 08:40:36

Murder locusts (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 2/16 09:11:53

Infected with Russia virus. (nm) - tarheeltiger MU - 2/16 09:37:22

That is wise - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:25:38

Too bad you do not show - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:32:14

That is because you only know how to talk about 3 things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:33:17

So government is only bad - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:35:00

Show me where I have said that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:40:17

If you have a poor view of the government - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 08:45:57

Defense is their job - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:50:47

We have a second amendment and are surrounded by oceans - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 08:57:25

This is what always happens in these discussions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:58:57

So is the military legitimate - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 09:00:52

I believe the military is legitimate - yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:02:25

Wow - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 09:06:01

they’re being asked, El (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/16 09:49:22

You also support the bombings and military intervention - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:03:29

Depends on the reasons for the bombings - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:05:41

No, the positions are consistent - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/2 12:10:10

Some cave dwelling dirt worshipper gets bombed - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 09:08:17

How can a potential threat - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:07:01

When we have been attacked, and that same group - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:09:44

These groups are constantly changing - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:14:50

If we continue having events like 9/11 because we sit back - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:18:05

Sitting back might have prevented 9/11 - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 09:25:35

And that may the case - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:28:30

yet this... - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:29:21

Yes, my brilliance speaks for itself meat(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:31:45

9-11 happened almost 20 years ago - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:19:50

And I think if we have evidence of a plot against us, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:22:44

"Evidence of a plot" - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:24:28

Have I not missed the last 20 years? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:29:19

How many 9/11s have we had - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:35:25

One - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:36:41

more blind faith in government (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:23:34

9/11 was a response to the US meddling in the affairs - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:18:39

We never attacked that group though - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/16 09:13:54

Again, you are pointing to specific failures to argue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:16:31

even without knowing who the "group" is - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:10:15

or even perceived threats - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:06:40

Defense is a very very small part of what our - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:52:01

You are changing the discussion meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:52:48

you are the one that brought up "defense"(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:53:38

No, El-ahrairah did and I responded that defense is an - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:56:29

His view is not that government is poor - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:50:20

It does have a role - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:51:13

An example of this would be the reparations that you - ummmm MU - 2/16 08:45:05

There were no reparations in the CARES act I was OK with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:52:18

The reparations to businesses. We've talked about this - ummmm MU - 2/16 08:54:49

Yes, we have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:57:02

False - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:05:24

Yes, I have a do fully support making appropriate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:08:25

Pretzelly (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:09:44

No, completely consistent - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:11:03

You're revising history, of course. But that doesn't really - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:15:00

I am not revising history - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:19:21

He does not understand the leading to more issues - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:17:03

You cannot plan for a government who simply shuts you down - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:20:01

Yes you can - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:26:10

Yes, it is absolutely and fundamentally different meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:31:20

yes..the details are different - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:40:05

No, every aspect is different - it was a preposterous - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:45:18

Look at history - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:50:31

RE: No, completely consistent - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:12:19

That is approximately the time that CARES was passed and - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:13:44

He is and always has been intellectually dishonest (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/16 09:40:20

I don't consider reimbursement for direct loss a bad thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:21:40

I do. Because the govt doesn't reimburse from its own - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:30:30

Not if they played a role in those losses - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:33:38

The govt plays a big role in collecting taxes from me each - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:44:45

No, of course not(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:46:05

Why not? That $$ keeps me from investing in my business, - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:47:15

I would like to see massive regulatory relief - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:48:06

Why is it silly? Taxation crushes just as much as regulation - ummmm MU - 2/16 09:53:17

And both should be far less if not eliminated - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:58:17

Closing of a business - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:51:07

In the same way clipping your fingernails is the same as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:59:06

I did not say they were the exact same - meatiger MU - 2/16 10:03:34

"Closing of the business is the same as a regulation" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 10:04:44

The difference being - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:41:19

dishonest people do dishonest things - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:15:08

You said if government forces closure - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:53:17

I know I did - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:57:34

RE: I know I did - ashtray UF - 2/16 08:58:53

You said you supported that part of the CARES Act(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:58:03

No I did not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:01:28

that's called reparations (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:03:04

You realize that your support of the payments - meatiger MU - 2/16 09:02:44

I support the policy of reimbursement for direct losses - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 09:12:58

that's reparations (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/16 09:15:48

you advocate for bigger government on - meatiger MU - 2/16 08:43:04

I would love to see us get back to states controlling issues - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:55:30

false - ashtray UF - 2/16 08:57:21

lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 2/16 08:33:37

RE: That is wise - scan MU - 2/16 08:26:59

Those who have either lived true government oppression - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/16 08:30:04