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But they're not one and the same. They are different

Posted on: February 1, 2021 at 13:22:00 CT

ummmm MU

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This would be you subjectively re-defining something. Doesn't that usually bother you when people do that?

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Let me ask this about social constructs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:22:07

Gender is only a social construct because 'social - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:30:04

Hold on. How is "gender is a social construct" even a - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:35:28

Yes, see climate change....nm - tigertix MU - 2/1 12:33:14

that is not true - pickle MU

- 2/1 12:30:55

Setting aside the absolute nature of his statement, a - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:36:43

Yep (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/1 13:50:22

gender isn't BUT gender roles are(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/1 12:31:57

you’re confusing sex and gender (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/1 12:34:20

once again, you've taught me something today(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/1 12:38:47

Did he teach you something new or did you already know he - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/1 12:57:48

that’s incorrect. - pickle MU

- 2/1 13:45:30

This is wrong. Other genders existed before DNA was even - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:11:12

scientifically is an incorrect word choice (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/1 12:29:53

What is a valid social construct? And what is an invalid - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:28:29

I am asking those who have told me gender is a social - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:32:05

I know you're talking about gender. But you raised this - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:33:40

I am asking for the opinion of those who choose to share - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:35:50

Your question is a false premise - pickle MU

- 2/1 12:44:17

Your question doesn't make sense. - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:38:30

Then you would say yes, you can have a valid social - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:46:16

I don't know what a valid social construct is. - ummmm MU - 2/1 12:52:22

A social construct is, by it's nature, subjective and open - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:59:21

How is it any different than religion?(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/1 13:08:00

No one is being pushed to take sensitivity seminars or - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:11:58

I see people pushing their religion all of the time - meatiger MU - 2/1 13:17:33

Good grief meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:19:54

Of course you do not want to deal with it - meatiger MU - 2/1 13:20:49

Gender =/= biological sex. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:05:08

I know that is the case now - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:15:12

it has always been the case (nm) - pickle MU

- 2/1 14:22:12

There is a way. It is not just about chromosomes. There - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:23:56

I meant, your (i.e. 4Tig's) subjectivity. - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:04:16

It's my opinion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:07:16

Yeah, that's my point too. So, I don't understand why you - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:12:06

I consider such social constructs invalid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:14:29

Genetics isn't clear male/female. It is more complicated - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:15:32

Do you not use the term "gender" at all? (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:15:10

I pretty much always use the term sex as they are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:16:32

But they're not one and the same. They are different - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:22:00

As I said, I reject social constructs that are fairy tale in - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:23:32

astonishing how ignorant you are (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/1 14:31:14

Not astonishing at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/1 14:39:41

Then you're barking up the wrong tree, because gender - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:27:00

According to our social construct, that is true - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:29:37

You have a really confusing understanding of social - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:32:45

As I have said, it is an opinion question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:33:39

Society doesn't deem. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 13:35:46

So what's your explanation for those that are not born with - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:17:58

There are outliers for almost everything - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:22:34

The point is to respect those outliers. Some a batshiit - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:26:53

There are always causes to respect outliers - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:32:20

They shouldn't be treated as outliers. They are real people - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:33:43

Real Problems as deemed by whom?(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/1 13:44:23

An amputee is an outlier - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:36:11

And nearly all of them would prefer to be born into the - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:27:55

I'd imagine so. But I don't think mental health aspects - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:32:35

I can't say that I've talked with or been around many people - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:38:07

But sex is not always black and white. - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:26:41

There are always outliers - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:37:45

Why are you so focused on - meatiger MU - 2/1 13:24:12

I am more interested on things being factual - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:26:32

So, how do YOU define sex? - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:28:53

Based on chromosomes(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:34:15

So someone that is born with female chromosomes - kmawv8 MU - 2/1 13:39:43

46,XX karotype also produces testes adding to the issue.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:41:43

SRY gene can result in someone with XX chromosomes - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:38:27

Science disagrees with you. It is far more complicated than - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:34:48

In some instances - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:36:47

Disorders of sex development affect 1 in 100. That is - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:40:11

Well you are ignoring biologists. Sex is a spectrum. No - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:28:18

And no man can be a woman - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 13:34:57

you're an idiot stuck in a mythologically fueled paradigm - 90Tiger STL - 2/1 14:33:31

So I am an idiot because I dare to challenge a construct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 16:50:26

Genetics isn't black and white.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:35:27

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