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Posted on: June 16, 2020 at 07:58:01 CT
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1. The cops were called to the scene because he was asleep in his car. This is actually not all that uncommon in DWI situations. So the cops were rightfully there.

2. This talk about the cops should have let him walk home is bogus. This simply doesn't happen in 2020 regardless of your race. Those days are long over. And as a parent, I don't want any ****head to be able to go out and party and then drive home probably drunk and then get a pass from the cops.

3. Everything up until the moment of the physical arrest was standard and ordinary. Asking questions, testing. All normal stuff.

4. Now when they go to cuff, Brooks decides to resist. Not standard, not that unusual either. But he was excessively resisting, grabbing for the taser which he got.

5. They did taser him, which had no effect. So they did try to de-escalate.

6. Now, as Brooks is running away, admittedly not at the fastest rate, he reaches back and it appears that he did fire the taser again at the officer. It's not completely clear but you see the officer attempt to evade something and run into the back of a car to his side in the process.

This moment is important because a central issue in this case will be the subjective fear of the officer at the moment he was chasing Brooks and whether Brooks actually fired or the officer reasonably thought he fired the taser at him.

7. He immediately fires the shots that kills Brooks.

8. This is a close call. Here's the thing on those Tasers though. When they are used by police who know how to use them, they are also trained where to fire the taser on the body to prevent accidental death. Away from the head / face, away from the heart if possible, etc. If Brooks is firing that thing without looking meaning he is firing wildly and indeed it appears the taser did hit or almost hit the officer.

Conclusion: It's a very close call, but if Brooks fired the taser wildly, then I think the officer was right to shoot. Understandably that is not the most popular opinion.


I do think that this issue has to be discussed on all sides and while I understand from a black person's perspective they fear the police, often times it's because police are escalating due to either an action they took or because they are not complying with the officer's demands. If a cop asks you to comply and you don't, it's not going to end at that point. We see this over and over again. Do what the officer says and you can complain later. I understand the argument is the feeling is that the complaint will do nothing but that's the safest solution.

Edited by Gyro at 08:03:25 on 06/16/20
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My take on Rayshard Brooks is that... - Gyro MU - 6/16 07:58:01
     My take: Your take appears honest and completely reasonable - BH O'bonga MU - 6/16 08:28:01
          RE: My take: Your take appears honest and completely reasonable - MOCO SON MU - 6/16 10:29:48
          at this point, probably more people, cops died in the riots. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:29:29
     he was aggressed upon and then murdered - pickle MU - 6/16 08:10:50
          You have no common sense. Only a stupid - Logan BAMA - 6/16 08:34:15
          He was drunk, out on parole for beating his kids and wife. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:21:25
               Have a link to that? Not doubting you, just can’t find info(nm) - miz_zou MU - 6/16 09:05:21
                    Here you go. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 09:42:57
               Seemed like a loving father and husband. Victim = hero. Nm - hokie VT - 6/16 08:24:37
                    victim. no one said he’s a hero (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:25:46
                         No, he's a criminal. Convicted. wife, child abuse. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:28:39
                              he’s a murder victim (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:37:39
                              It's interesting to me that his wife did not... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:30:04
                                   why do you keep lying? - pickle MU - 6/16 08:42:21
                                   Nobody has said he's a saint. - kmawv8 MU - 6/16 08:38:43
               all of which is irrelevant - pickle MU - 6/16 08:24:26
          As usual.... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:11:35
               RE: As usual....: He's consistently obtuse and off point. - BH O'bonga MU - 6/16 08:29:26
                    It's odd to me that someone in 2020 is supportive... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:31:32
                         three times i’ve said i’m not ok with drunk driving - pickle MU - 6/16 08:38:35
                         You're purposely misrepresenting people's thoughts. - kmawv8 MU - 6/16 08:36:17
                              Congrats pickle; you may have a new cheerleader(nm) - redngray MU - 6/16 08:43:38
                                   No kidding, Pickle's a young David Koresh... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:44:57
                                        You keep attacking a poster instead of answering - kmawv8 MU - 6/16 08:52:10
                                             RE: You keep attacking a poster instead of answering - redngray MU - 6/16 08:58:48
                                                  I'm trying to see where you draw the line with how laws - kmawv8 MU - 6/16 09:04:31
                                                       In your view then - redngray MU - 6/16 09:18:49
                                                            People make conscious decisions that impair their ability to - kmawv8 MU - 6/16 09:23:01
                                                                 RE: People make conscious decisions that impair their ability to - redngray MU - 6/16 09:55:51
                                                                      I can drive drunk safely - ashtray UF - 6/16 09:59:42
                                                                           No you can’t - redngray MU - 6/16 10:23:15
                                                                                People do it all the time (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 11:01:02
                                                                                     I’m sure they do(nm) - redngray MU - 6/16 11:16:39
                                                                                you are welcome to find out - ashtray UF - 6/16 10:25:53
                                                                                     Lol such an internet badass - redngray MU - 6/16 10:35:14
                                                                                          How so? - redngray MU - 6/16 10:50:59
                                                                                               Ha, goes below of course(nm) - redngray MU - 6/16 10:53:54
                                                                                          nice lay down (nm) - ashtray UF - 6/16 10:43:05
                         RE: It's odd to me that someone in 2020 is supportive... - BH O'bonga MU - 6/16 08:34:21
                              Here's another thing....this idea that cops only pick... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:37:44
               That wasn’t an opinion - pickle MU - 6/16 08:12:53
                    So they initiated force... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:13:48
                         Correct, though force began prior to that - pickle MU - 6/16 08:15:23
     Yep, everybody knows that if you wildly fire a taser you - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 08:04:53
          Apparenlty not enough people know that cops... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:06:09
     How can they charge him with DWI when he wasn't driving - GA Tiger MU - 6/16 08:02:14
          Keys in ignition = operating. - justwinbaby KC - 6/16 08:23:46
               Orwellian (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:24:46
          actually, the answer is yes, if you have the keys. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:23:01
               Lol the emperor’s new clothes sure are fine! (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:25:23
                    You don't like the law, change it. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:30:42
                         a non-thinking response - pickle MU - 6/16 08:40:03
                              You don't get to ignore laws you don't like shyte for brains - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/16 08:43:02
                                   actually, you do get to - pickle MU - 6/16 09:00:53
                                        Are you this stupid? - Gyro MU - 6/16 09:57:06
                                   But HE doesn't think a crime was committed...so...(nm) - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:45:33
                                        No, i know a crime wasn’t committed (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 09:35:31
                         Come on now... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:31:58
                              The state needs to rasie the tax on Hot Pockets.... - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/16 09:01:26
          because that’s the State, GAT (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:09:35
               So you're okay with people driving... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:10:47
                    no, but it’s not a crime - pickle MU - 6/16 08:11:24
                         What a stupid answer, even for you(nm) - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:11:56
                              who is the victim and what rights are infringed upon - pickle MU - 6/16 08:14:00
                                   None until someone is hurt or killed... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:16:14
                                        answer the question. who is the victim - pickle MU - 6/16 08:18:05
                                             I answered the question... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:19:53
                                                  where did i say harm never happens? - pickle MU - 6/16 08:22:08
                                                       You don't understand crimes or laws or criminal law... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:29:12
                                                            I’m not talking “law” or “criminal law”, Gyro - pickle MU - 6/16 08:41:11
                                                                 Yeah, I saw that before... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:44:00
          Case law in most states controls these special situations... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:05:08
               Makes sense.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/16 08:37:43
                    No. It doesn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 09:06:14
          RE: How can they charge him with DWI when he wasn't driving - scan MU - 6/16 08:03:11
               Got it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/16 08:38:32
               The cases get start to get murky if you have... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:07:32
                    there’s nothing murky about it (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 08:16:26
                         Yes, clearly you are out of school... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:17:53
                              i’m not stating an opinion - pickle MU - 6/16 08:19:44
                                   LOL... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:20:54
                                        i’m not talking “law”, Gyro - pickle MU - 6/16 08:23:37
                                             Well, I'm in reality and so is everyone else but you... - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:27:32
                                                  I’m talking reality; you aren’t thinking for yourself (nm) - pickle MU - 6/16 09:01:58
                                                  in an authoritarian state, like the US, you are correct - ashtray UF - 6/16 08:31:10
                                                       Do you support the right of people to drive drunk?(nm) - Gyro MU - 6/16 08:34:43
                                                            There is no such specific right - pickle MU - 6/16 09:04:25
                                                            supporting rights and condoning behavior are not the same - ashtray UF - 6/16 08:36:22




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