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Since some of you don't seem to understand this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:46:37

I understand exactly where you're coming from. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/27 09:52:06

And you are welcome to that belief - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:52:52

1. Who is arguing it is the system under which we - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:00:29

As a nation of laws, status quo is the standard - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:03:31

you’re trying to change the argument (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/27 10:09:42

He has to - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:13:36

it's funny.. the very system your defending makes legal - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:07:33

Yes, it does, and that is a great shame - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:16:08

it is not immoral. society has made that determination - pickle MU

- 4/27 10:20:18

Pretty much blows your position that the law represents - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:18:43

It does reflect the morality of a nation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:20:22

That is his only fallback - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:02:52

They are zealots(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 4/27 09:56:37

So you're a zealot if you argue against something you - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:01:32

No, you are a zealot if you look at the current law and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:05:51

nobody is arguing that it isn't the current law. we are - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:09:59

Abortion is not criminal behavior in the US 90 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:15:07

You should try to read: We use the word Criminal or Crime - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:17:55

What should be does not really help in dealing with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:19:27

Exactly(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 4/27 10:06:33

RE: Exactly(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:10:10

That's not what I said, try again(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 4/27 10:03:01

please, correct me and share what you really intended (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:08:57

They mean well - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:58:35

are you making yourself feel better? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:02:48

Expressing reality doesn't really make me feel - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:07:04

I mean with the condescending references which don't - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:08:31

It is pretty much fact - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:12:10

So, do you feel better? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:14:22

I feel bad for them - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:17:03

Don't feel bad for me, 4Tigs. That's about you, not me. - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:19:18

I can feel bad for you even if you don't feel bad for - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:21:26

You think Libertarians are happy for drug addicts?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:24:59

this is your ignorance of rights - pickle MU

- 4/27 10:02:04

it absolutely is - pickle MU

- 4/27 09:54:54

it is a bailout, and you are stealing from one - pickle MU

- 4/27 09:50:03

You love stealing and criminals - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/27 10:03:06

no, RHAY. i support rights (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/27 10:08:01

When person A takes money from person C - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:49:38

The glaring problem with this principle when it comes to - ummmm MU - 4/27 09:48:34

And that is your take on what is occurring - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:52:10

^what a maroon - Panthera MU - 4/27 10:39:16

it is a perfect summary of exactly what is happening, whethe - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:02:29

So..if the legislature - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:55:11

No, it is the wrong decision - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:56:52

but is it government supporting the "moral fiber" of our - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:03:26

Our laws don't always support the moral fiber of our - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:04:12

It is when you defended your position on age of - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:05:12

Show me one place I defended a position on any - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:08:46

If you didn't then you never stated what the law should be. - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:10:46

My argument was never about what I thought it should be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:13:59

It is where the gray areas are - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:15:51

That is not what I asked - so you are now blaming me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:17:36

You play a game to fit your agenda - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:23:00

4Tigs, this is very simple. You've rejected my (our) positi - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:15:46

I don't know what it should be, but I can sure as hell tell - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:18:34

Now you are all over the place - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:57:22

Oh, I will - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:59:06

legality is immaterial (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/27 09:54:05

It is exactly what is happening - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:54:00

It could not be further from the truth - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:55:19

your seeing in this thread your lack of principles. you sup - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:04:48

it is exactly the same (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/27 10:00:01

It is exactly the same - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:56:25

It was government action that forced the actions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:57:34

Pension mismanagement - meatiger MU - 4/27 09:59:50

Shutting down a business by fiat is nowhere near the same - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:01:36

Public pensions, 4Tigs. Gvmt mismanaging, stealing from - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:05:56

No, not anymore than private companies who do the same - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:22:21

I am talking about public pensions(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:02:23

Doesn't matter - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 10:04:55

It is gvmt fiat deciding to rob the pensions, 4Tigs. It's - 90Tiger STL - 4/27 10:06:27

RE: It is gvmt fiat deciding to rob the pensions, 4Tigs. It's - meatiger MU - 4/27 10:11:43

Legality is irrelevant to my point. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/27 09:53:26

Not in our society ummmm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/27 09:56:19

this is about principle, philosophy, and reality - pickle MU

- 4/27 09:59:15

it is exactly the same (nm)

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