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Posted on: April 16, 2020 at 11:14:35 CT

90Tiger STL

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determination. Consent in this case is of course subjective.

You have situations in which a mature 17 year old or a very immature or developmentally challenged person may offer or not offer consent, may or may not understand what's happening, etc.

How do you expect to make an "objective" evaluation of consent by pointing to a person'd date of birth?

I would imagine a court (private, public, let's not include that in this discussion) hearing from both parties and witnesses and getting as much detail and context as possible to render a good ruling.

Your repeated request for something "objective" is troubling here. The "objective" determination is whether the rights were infringed upon - either by outright ignoring a lack of consent by force, or by doing something to someone incapable of rendering consent.

How do you make that determination "objectively".

If a 17 year old female who has had several voluntary sexual relationships with others her age has sex with a teacher of age 34 and tells teh court she absolutely consented - where is it "objective" in your world that her rights were infringed upon?

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4Tigs - a serious attempt to help explain or at least - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:02:30

I'm glad I didn't get on the board early enough for the - tigerfans3 MU - 4/16 11:27:12

"how ever we define the word kids" - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:52:26

You set the bar a little high for some of our most - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:28:44

Of course children and kids can consent - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:28:28

Utter bullshyte from the board pedofile. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/16 11:53:41

there’s nothing bull**** about it - pickle MU

- 4/16 12:18:31

you think pickle would - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:58:58

But if you make the decision on a case by case basis then - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/16 11:13:43

It would render statutory rape obsolete. But there would - ummmm MU - 4/16 11:21:18

Yes but you are wanting to add another variable now. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/16 12:11:09

Right, but this difficult question is already addressed - ummmm MU - 4/16 12:26:49

correct (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:23:23

The discussion is about rights, not legality - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:16:17

And there is apparently some subjective, unexplainable - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:15:30

everyone has a right to liberty, 4Tigs. where did I say - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:17:17

But you said a third party would determine if they really - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:23:56

Initially, the two (or more I guess) parties involved would - ummmm MU - 4/16 11:53:09

So as long as the two parties are good with it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:58:18

You're asking how consent is determined. Initially, it is - ummmm MU - 4/16 12:08:34

only if a party felt they were a victim - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:42:57

Why don't you elaborate on the objectivity of an - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:26:31

I have never mentioned age of consent - why can't you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:27:34

i've remained on topic. if you reject my approach and haven' - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:28:38

Once again, it is very clear (but apparently hard to answer) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:31:25

I've outlined all of that. You keep calling for some objecti - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:33:18

I don't - I want to know the standards you wish to use to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:34:25

Deprive somoen of their right to liberty?? - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:38:21

Subjectively determining someone did not have the capacity - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:42:57

clearly, and I find it better than doing so based on their - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:49:22

So lets say the girl is 10 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:51:55

No, I wouldn't be fine with it at all. I'd imagine if - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:55:31

It is actually protecting their liberty - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:45:52

So as long as any man has consensual sex with any one - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:48:40

Not if there is a judgment - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:50:40

But if the two parties are fine with it, who has any right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:52:50

you just completely ignored his response and repeated - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 12:31:58

And you cannot explain how that is detemined - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 13:08:39

i've explained it 10 times - a court, panel, group of - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 13:16:52

"whatever" - Yay natural rights! - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 13:21:04

By that definition - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:58:08

That is stupid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 12:14:30

still have no idea what liberty or whose liberty he's referr - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:39:20

who do you keep referring to as being deprived of their - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:37:16

So as long as the 40 year old man and 12 year old girl - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:45:03

no, as I'm quite certain any reasonable person would find - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 12:33:11

How would they do that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 13:09:39

There are lots of articles and books in this area(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:26:08

Wow - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:28:02

Nice try, but at the end of it all you're just trying - *M* KC - 4/16 11:11:42

No he's not. - ummmm MU - 4/16 11:20:13

He is probably also unaware - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:23:09

You can almost hear the knees knocking and legs quivering - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:13:03

It's disappointing to me that you've decided to go this r - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:19:00

I have taken age of consent off the table and asked directly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:22:16

what is a "sufficiently mature 12 year old"? I've never - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:27:11

so you take age of consent off the table - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:24:52

he's really focused on 12 year olds and I have zero - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:29:08

I understand why - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:35:33

the world is gray; they accept terrible outcomes based on - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:38:51

that’s not happening at all - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:15:24

What anal lube do kids prefer you sick degenerate bastard? - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:16:53

You have sick thoughts, keep them to yourself (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:19:29

Nah, Ill Xpose pickles as the sick twisted degenerate he is - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:22:07

Those are your thoughts and fantasies - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:23:55

that’s your thought, not mine - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:18:49

That comes from one of yer posts you sick twisted bastard - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:20:33

No it doesn’t. It came from your mind and fingers (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:21:14

So long as they don't violate the non-aggression - *M* KC - 4/16 11:15:15

And the non-aggession principle is subjectively determined - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:16:46

When did you determine a person's liberty begins at the - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:20:27

Again, I have taken age off the table - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:22:46

So you aren't advocating for an age of consent (current - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:30:05

You expect me to answer questions when you have not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:33:26

lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 12:33:35

Incorrect (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:19:21

Bullsh#t, There are people that target and prey on children - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:07:49

no one said otherwise (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:11:12

And how do I disagree with you? go after them (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:09:18

Because children are not capable of giving consent - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:13:07

Do parents make every decision - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:19:03

Of course children are capable of giving consent - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:17:00

You are one Sick Son of a B#tch - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:19:20

own your thoughts. They’re yours, not anyone else’s - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:20:39

You will be goin bye bye soon enough Sicko - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:24:05

you’re the one forming the thoughts - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:29:59

F#ck You - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:35:19

they’re your thoughts, Fester - pickle MU

- 4/16 11:44:15

define "children" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:16:04

The legislature does that in the statutory rape laws - *M* KC - 4/16 11:19:15

So children in arkansas are capable of consent at - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:21:08

Ever heard of a Dictionary genius ? - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/16 11:18:25

So who gets to decide that standard if not the persons - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:06:13

Of course someone is going to have to make a subjective - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:14:35

So get specific - if you are led to believe a 12 year old - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:18:41

how often do you think anyone would ever be led to - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:22:01

Why won't you answer a direct question? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:25:57

Because I reject the premise. It's like asking if I support - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:41:37

The other issues are very clear - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:09:30

What makes them clear? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:10:51

unwaveringly yet..no - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:16:37

We aren't talking about those - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:19:41

people buying selling drugs are above the age of consent. th - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 11:22:49

We aren't talking about drugs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 11:25:04

but you defend - meatiger MU - 4/16 11:21:23