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no they didn't (nm)
Posted on: February 12, 2020 at 13:29:37 CT
ashtray
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the two questions that have remained unanswered
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:02:46
RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered
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GA Tiger
MU
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2/12 13:47:11
incorrect and begging the question (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:11:59
I didn't voluntarily accept the constitution. I had no say
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:52:11
You have no right to bare arms then
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:59:52
the Constitution doesn't grant rights
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:03:35
RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered
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GA Tiger
MU
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2/12 13:44:04
incorrect
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:11:25
incorrect
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:47:18
.
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 12:58:55
1. the binding of the laws is territorial
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 12:44:40
I'm gonna have my dog sh*t in your front lawn every day.
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:33:42
fortunately, in your scenario there are options short of
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:54:35
What's funny is the action that he described
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:57:47
The point is over your head. It is about how implied
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:58:37
And again, you advocate for a system that is no different
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:01:03
false (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:13:02
false (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:03:07
How is it false?
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:03:47
you don't know what "system" TigerMatt advocates (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:04:38
I assume he wants one where his dog can **** anywhere
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:07:02
you would assume incorrectly, then (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:07:46
why? (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:56:13
1. that’s begging the question
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:52:02
Ok, it doesn't exist. Now you can go back to sleep.(nm)
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GA Tiger
MU
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2/12 13:45:31
ugggh. socratic a**hole.
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:00:25
that’s still begging the question
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:13:42
What has always intrigued me about these discussions
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:18:57
that’s a great point (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:27:43
There's nothing in the Constitution that supports your
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:10:31
assuming we're talking us, the 10th amendment does
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:22:25
you’re starting in the middle
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:28:59
No, it doesn't.
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:25:42
the people agreed to be governed
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:38:48
there is no implied consent
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:41:57
2. i disagree with your "all tax is theft" stance
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:46:33
why is capital punishment wrong? (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:13:59
There will be no difference in the conversation in the
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:47:52
irony (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:49:37
Your position is black/white. Don't like it.. move.(nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:49:21
Well, yeah, I am going to argue that people 200 years ago
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:41:06
what do you mean dismissed?
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:51:44
I don't understand the difference. (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:56:06
same thing (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:53:14
lol, yeah. that sounded different when i was writing it.(nm)
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gmmm98
MU
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2/12 13:55:59
since we as individual, sovereign beings have, in the past
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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2/12 12:20:50
can we or can we not voluntarily bind ourselves as slaves
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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2/12 12:28:32
that doesn’t make any sense
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:24:29
Life's a bltch ain't it.(nm)
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GA Tiger
MU
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2/12 13:46:20
1. Social Contract 2. Consent of the governed
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:09:20
I never signed a contract (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:26:38
Your mother and father did at your birth (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:27:22
Wow....lol(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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2/12 13:37:05
no they didn’t
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:30:47
no they didn't (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:29:37
Social Imposition is a better term.
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:01:23
A contract is an agreement between two or more parties.
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 12:22:43
Great point tigerfatt manlett. Nm
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yy4u
MU
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2/12 12:29:43
You are certainly free to renounce citizenship
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 12:26:15
no you aren't
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:29:12
There are limited opportunities to tag you after renouncing
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:37:01
there is nothing to renounce
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:48:20
Then simply live in natural state
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:50:10
what are you scared of? (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:08:50
Certain spiders creep me out
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:13:17
no, about these questions and discussions
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:15:27
It does a little, but that's ok
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:20:29
All I’m doing here is asking for evidence
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:42:06
Albeit a "public" system, not a "private" one(nm)
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:21:41
the difference is that one is voluntary (ours)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:28:47
I voluntarily stay
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 14:32:12
you aren't free to leave
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 14:34:39
He is free to leave
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Spanky
KU
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2/12 15:46:05
You have to pay to do that (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 16:36:43
we aren't allowed to
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:52:24
Sure you are, you just can't do it here
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:54:23
Do you believe a woman being repeatedly beaten by her
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 12:52:27
Ask your wife
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:16:09
you don’t consent to be governed
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pickle
MU
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2/12 14:21:25
So why does the abused have to leave and not the abuser?
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:27:11
I assume if you can marshal enough influence
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:33:38
But there is no consent in that. It goes back to whomever
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:34:52
True
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:38:07
excellent point (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:30:41
Nope, it's all or nothing for the cucumbers (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:17:48
the question is regarding the legitimacy of the claims
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:29:01
I didn't answer your silly question
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 12:31:02
you didn’t give a solution, and i didn’t ask for one
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:35:19
Anectdotally, the evidence is that millions of people
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 12:40:18
millions of people owned slaves in the past
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:33:57
No, it's evidence that it was legal at the time
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:36:04
that’s not evidence
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:49:11
Evidence is defined as
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:08:24
that people have complied is not evidence
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:14:54
And I gave you a reason for the legitimacy of gov't
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:38:31
you didn’t. I asked for the evidence
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:43:49
North Koreans renounce their citizenship regularly
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:45:51
that’s not what i asked (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:49:31
You choosing to live in the USA is your consent.
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:50:44
do you know what a contract is? (nm)
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:35:49
A woman living with a husband who beats her is not
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 12:58:12
If she doesn't leave, alert authorities, seek help outside
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:17:20
Good Lord (nm)
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mizzouSECedes
STL
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2/12 14:32:40
so it's her fault her husband beats her
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:36:37
That's not what I said (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:37:14
yes it is
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:38:23
No, that's not a logical truth
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Mormad
MU
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2/12 13:49:02
false
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ashtray
UF
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2/12 13:52:57
Wow (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:29:42
Wow.. just wow. (nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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2/12 13:23:32
I never said the abuse was justified or acceptable(nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 13:32:13
Authorization or consent to an action is a justification.
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ummmm
MU
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2/12 13:36:35
1. that’s not consent
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:52:41
1. It is. 2. No it isn't (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:54:10
it isn’t consent
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pickle
MU
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2/12 13:01:29
1. There is no social contract
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:20:02
1. There is. 2. It's not (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:21:30
1. There isn’t
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:23:19
Renounce your citizenship, then (nm)
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:26:37
non-responsive
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:28:00
And I gave you evidence. And you reject it.
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MrBlueSky
MU
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2/12 12:41:32
you didn’t give any evidence at all (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:45:13
Eliminate the state (nm)
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TigerJackSwartz
MU
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2/12 12:03:08
Stop the war on drugs.....
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Tigrrrr!
MU
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2/12 13:11:41
yes (nm)
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pickle
MU
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2/12 12:07:10