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I don’t subscribe to anarchy but government at all levels is

Posted on: January 10, 2020 at 13:32:39 CT
Bulldog Bob Brown STL
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Invasive, intrusive and every time it expands one iota individual liberty and personal freedom must contract proportionally.

And I am appalled by the amount of money collected and consumed by government. It has a permanent bureaucracy that exists to have perpetual existence and it first serves itself. The citizen is not even considered in its desire to perpetuate itself and is always disguised under such cover as helping people, or the undefinable “fairness”.

The incredible power of controlling that money naturally must infringe on individual rights. I see no way to ensure liberty for individuals except to radically and massively reduce its size, rules, regulations and laws.
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Updated Liberty/Tyranny Continuum: - ummmm MU - 1/10 12:53:31
     That's about right for me (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/10 14:44:10
     I'm with Toger - mizzoumurfkc KC - 1/10 13:32:28
          He claims to be a solid 8 - Mormad MU - 1/10 13:34:23
               8 - mizzoumurfkc KC - 1/10 14:04:53
                    That would make him truly unique - Mormad MU - 1/10 14:09:31
     You could probably reduce that list by 1/3rd - Mormad MU - 1/10 13:31:05
     that's me, squarely on the fence, don't rock the boat(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/10 13:29:37
     thanks for posting, always interesting - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:15:38
          I don't like where you put SwampTiger. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/10 13:18:19
               agree (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:23:30
               whoops meant for ummmmmmmmmm (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/10 13:18:27
     You sure about JG? - MIZ45 MU - 1/10 13:11:45
          Did he really do that? Sounds like conclusive - GA Tiger MU - 1/10 13:14:51
               RE: Did he really do that? Sounds like conclusive - MIZ45 MU - 1/10 13:15:15
                    Well, I certainly feel discriminated against there. Like, - GA Tiger MU - 1/10 13:19:54
                         Do you really know what category you fit into? - Toger STL - 1/10 14:11:43
                              Not as its presented, because its not defined enough to - GA Tiger MU - 1/10 14:17:54
          Yeah, JG is pretty good with the exception of the climate - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:13:20
               I think he wants it that way(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/10 13:28:24
               "does not buy into cults of personality." - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:16:34
                    *political* personality. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:17:21
                         I'd agree to an extent - MIZ45 MU - 1/10 13:21:56
                              Hating the sitting President of the US is going to score you - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:25:30
                                   Mostly true. Except for his whining when Trump would - MIZ45 MU - 1/10 13:31:10
                         lol. gotcha(nm) - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:18:40
               lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/10 13:15:40
                    Besides the climate, where else does JG tip toward tyranny? - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:17:00
     What a minute. Where IS JG? Is he and Fester - GA Tiger MU - 1/10 13:10:48
          He's on there. - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:11:54
               I meant where is he on TB.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/10 13:13:34
                    Ohhh gotcha. He was on here earlier this week, I think. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:14:10
     Is this based on last calendar year of posts? - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/10 13:09:15
          Last calendar year of posts. People are always welcome to - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:11:24
     move mormad up and hbomb down(nm) - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:09:14
     I'd also like to lodge an appeal on behalf of another - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:05:43
          He's moved in recent times. - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:07:31
               yes, it's interesting that he starts to distrust - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:14:18
                    I don't think he's a D supporter - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:16:45
                         I support no D... - mizzoumurfkc KC - 1/10 14:24:16
                         yeah, I'll back off. Ummmmm made a good point below, - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:19:27
                    If it takes Trump to make someone realize that, then so be - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:15:11
                         Very good point. I concede(nm) - dangertim MU - 1/10 13:17:46
                              Good move - mizzoumurfkc KC - 1/10 14:21:34
     I made a list - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/10 13:04:15
     anarchy isn't liberty, no matter how often you post. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/10 13:03:38
          I don’t subscribe to anarchy but government at all levels is - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 1/10 13:32:39
               I've also routinely called for shrinking it. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/10 14:30:33
                    No you haven’t (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 22:50:18
          They do not understand this so they will switch to personal - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/10 13:05:44
               Well, I already responded before you without a personal - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:07:57
          Anarchy is the extreme on the liberty continuum - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:05:22
     Chaos =/= Liberty (nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 1/10 13:02:00
          Okay... (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:02:50
          Straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:02:30
     Hi(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/10 13:00:30
          Dude (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:02:13
          Edited! Sorry. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:01:54
     I’d put Sal a little higher - pickle MU - 1/10 12:58:39
          Sal is a really good poster, but he's just been a little too - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:01:22
     Love it. I support tyranny because I believe in automatic - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 12:55:57
          I think he has you too low, but that poll is an example of - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:12:27
               I don't particularly care where umm arbitrarily ranks me - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:15:41
                    Taxation is your biggest sticking point - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:24:47
                         I "tip" toward liberty far more than you will ever give me - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:28:02
                              Maybe in real life, but I based everything on posts made - ummmm MU - 1/10 14:01:12
                              Give an example. I’ve never seen anything from you otherwise - pickle MU - 1/10 13:33:01
                                   There's no force involved. It would be automatic - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:37:43
                                        There is force. You have taken away someone’s choice - pickle MU - 1/10 13:50:00
                    it's more than taxation - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:20:52
                         It is indeed. - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:27:00
                              uhh, did you actually read the poll? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:29:10
                                   Change me to A, then - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:38:56
                                        you can't eliminate the selective service and make it - SwampTiger MU - 1/10 13:52:29
                    But you didn’t answer his poll. There was no D option (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:17:53
          Again, what gives you the right to dictate that - pickle MU - 1/10 12:59:25
          While you're here. - ummmm MU - 1/10 12:58:07
               You're saying the gov't arming citizens - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:00:36
                    No, I'm saying they are both rights according to the - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:03:58
                         You said people should be armed based on that right - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:05:37
                              No, I didn't say that. But I understand why you're - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:06:30
                                   RE: No, I didn't say that. But I understand why you're - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:08:32
                                        omg. He’s calling out your inconsistency - pickle MU - 1/10 13:15:11
                                             I can support someone's right to own a firearm and - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:19:26
                                        I didn't say that people should be armed based on that right - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:10:22
                                             I'm advocating for automatic voter registration - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:16:18
                                                  It's not about the actual act of arming people, it's about - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:20:16
                                                       Like automatic voter registration which costs nothing(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:26:00
                                                            The issue is: you don’t get to decide for others (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:36:17
                                                            You're still not focusing on the actual issue. - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:27:59
                                                                 * - pickle MU - 1/10 13:35:39
                                                                 I can support someone's right to own a firearm and - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:28:53
                                                                      YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE FOR OTHERS - pickle MU - 1/10 13:36:59
                    he’s not saying that. Pay attention and read it closely (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:01:29
                         He said firearms are a right according to the cosntitution - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:02:36
                              lol holy **** (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:13:00
          Oh, it's definitely not because of that. - ummmm MU - 1/10 12:57:20
               Here you are again. - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:01:18
                    People who deny the individual, his rights and property - pickle MU - 1/10 13:11:08
                    People who oppose mass theft are good. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:02:27
                         Trite and tired. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:03:07
                              To you. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/10 13:08:08
                                   To most people who live in reality (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:09:02
                                        you lack logic and reason (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:12:16
                                             Yawn - MrBlueSky MU - 1/10 13:14:40
                                                  you do. all you have are logical fallacies and emotion (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:16:28
     move Rhay and Hokie down a slot(nm) - dangertim MU - 1/10 12:54:56
          in a separate “confused and clueless” group (nm) - pickle MU - 1/10 13:00:53




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