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That's a terrible argument

Posted on: December 14, 2019 at 10:51:36 CT
ashtray UF
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First, liberty isn't derived from government. That's a false statement.

Second, to say civilization would have come up with something else if there was something better, suggests that religion must be true because society evolved to it.

Edited by ashtray at 10:51:57 on 12/14/19
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Anarchy is not feasible beyond the tribal level - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:22:25
     The few chuckleheads on here that disagree... - Gyro MU - 12/14 10:48:50
          They believe in the golden rule... - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/14 11:06:16
          That's a terrible argument - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:51:36
               So IOW, in a very large recognized society, such as ours, - GA Tiger MU - 12/14 11:59:59
                    You can have "government" without a state - ashtray UF - 12/14 14:10:31
                    Like people being forced to kill or be killed with the only - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 12:19:07
          Stfu gyro you're an idiot - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:50:44
               You and Gyro are bedfellows here. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:54:50
                    Ok Ringo you know that's disingenuous - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:58:22
                         Your OP and his first response say the same thing. - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:59:32
     I've been pretty clear on my position here: - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:36:32
          Ha, clear as mud... - Gyro MU - 12/14 10:46:10
               What is unclear about my position in that post? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:54:16
     ^thinks government is working - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/14 10:30:24
          ^^^^thinks that’s a reason to embrace anarchy^^^^ - Spanky KU - 12/14 10:45:46
               I think many believe there is current anarchy. - Freeglider USA - 12/14 13:37:52
               Well, yeah. It's a reason alright. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/14 11:04:20
                    Nope. It isn’t an intelligent reason - Spanky KU - 12/14 11:10:52
                         Like Sal always says... - ashtray UF - 12/14 14:23:25
                              Yep, that’s what ummmm did - Spanky KU - 12/14 14:45:18
     That fact is obvious to everyone - Ferg STL - 12/14 10:30:12
          We have millennia of examples of government created - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 10:31:33
               There must be myriad examples of how the total - hokie VT - 12/14 10:43:41
                    You sound like a luddite - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:45:17
                         So your dream is merely academic conjecture. Bullshlt, - hokie VT - 12/14 10:49:15
                              Communism is dead on paper. It's a terrible theory. - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:58:20
                                   Anarchy assumes the strong won’t abuse the weak. Is ghetto - hokie VT - 12/14 11:05:15
                                        lol no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/14 17:37:41
                                        It doesn’t assume that at all - pickle MU - 12/14 12:16:54
                                        Drive by shootings are a government created problem(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 11:09:37
                                             no they aren't. The are a symptom of a dysfunctional - Ferg STL - 12/14 11:19:28
                                             No, they're created by a virtual lack of government. Nm - hokie VT - 12/14 11:18:01
                                                  a virtual lack of government??? Lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 12/14 12:28:07
                                                  government creates black markets.. justice then happens - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 11:28:59
                                                       There is a black market for rape? For battery? And the - hokie VT - 12/14 11:32:53
                                                            Wtf does this have to do with drive by shootings? (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 11:55:31
                                                                 lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/14 17:38:07
                                        No, it doesn't make that assumption at all. - ummmm MU - 12/14 11:08:42
                                             Occasionally, you post some pretty insightful things. This - hokie VT - 12/14 11:22:36
                                                  When you don't have a good response, this is what you do. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/14 11:23:20
                                                       I am talking to a grown man chronologically, who believes in - hokie VT - 12/14 11:26:31
                                                            You lack intelligence and maturity (nm) - pickle MU - 12/14 12:22:45
                              Communism is a flawed political theory - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:53:43
                                   And anarchy is flawless? Can you give an example of a - hokie VT - 12/14 11:00:01
                                        Yes, anarchy is flawless - pickle MU - 12/14 16:37:01
                                        pickle has several times.. keep up.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 11:58:20
                         RE: You sound like a luddite - scan MU - 12/14 10:46:44
                              And before those they didn't - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:48:07
                                   RE: And before those they didn't - scan MU - 12/14 10:49:36
                                        I could have said "scalable" but I'm - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:54:55
               humans did those things - Ferg STL - 12/14 10:36:56
                    not really (nm) - pickle MU - 12/14 10:39:38
                    Government commits more mass murder - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:39:35
               They never will - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:33:58
                    You are not in the 10% - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:36:08
                         False - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:41:49
                              Lol ok roll with that(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:43:44
                              Hokies in the 1% as well - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/14 10:42:39
                                   True observation (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:43:21
               You are on this website due to government - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:33:56
                    People created the internet, not government.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/14 10:37:34
                         With the pooling of resources(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:44:38
                              lol, rags (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/14 18:43:31
                              With the immense theft of resources. You'd hope that - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:56:41
                              And only government can do that - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:45:53
                    Oh yeah.... - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:34:30
     You just had to poke the hornets nest of stupidity. They - DHighlander NWMSU - 12/14 10:27:26
     Why not? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:25:13
          It's not scalable - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:27:54
               Liberty is not a system. Scalability is not a concern. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/14 10:37:37
                    He must still think freedom comes from - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:42:59
                         Freedom is an illusion - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/14 10:45:37
                              LOL. Ok - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:46:37
               why not? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/14 10:28:24




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