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If we assume free will is mostly an illusion and that we are

Posted on: July 16, 2019 at 09:39:55 CT
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simply a product of our genetics and environment. Then, we're just doing what we've learned to do and observe it through our consciousness and believe we've chosen something. Our consciousness allows us to witness what we do.

So, no, we aren't born with the obligation of loyalty to a nation state.

And, yes, we are individuals, but we don't own our minds, bodies and lives (but we think we do because of our consciousness).

We are slaves to a certain extent, in so much as we do what we do because it is either hardwired (genetics) or learned (environment). To whom we are slaves, in this scenario, is an interesting question.
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Are we born to this earth with obligations to a country? - pickle MU - 7/16 09:27:36
     RE: Are we born to this earth with obligations to a country? - MIZ45 MU - 7/16 09:53:54
     If we assume free will is mostly an illusion and that we are - cnk ATL - 7/16 09:39:55
          i don’t believe free will is an illusion - pickle MU - 7/16 09:55:47
               I believe we can use that illusion to better our - cnk ATL - 7/16 09:58:56
                    Sounds like that's a choice we can make (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 10:52:44
                         the issue, and my question, are not about choices - pickle MU - 7/16 11:09:53
     You are born with an obligation to follow the laws and - Spanky KU - 7/16 09:38:32
          so we are born slaves then (nm) - pickle MU - 7/16 09:49:29
               No. Slaves are not free to leave(nm) - tman MU - 7/16 09:54:26
                    It's as if language is as foreign to him as logic - Spanky KU - 7/16 10:00:38
                         If one is born with obligations - pickle MU - 7/16 10:04:35
                              Learn English - Spanky KU - 7/16 10:17:57
                                   how else would you describe it? - pickle MU - 7/16 10:21:22
                                        A member of society that is free to leave - Spanky KU - 7/16 10:26:26
                                             you aren’t even addressing the point (nm) - pickle MU - 7/16 10:39:28
                                                  You have no point by using incorrect terms. - Spanky KU - 7/16 12:46:39
     Yes. However you are free to renounce for most countries(nm) - tman MU - 7/16 09:32:49
          It's always a choice an individual can make - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 09:34:34
               almost nothing is a choice(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/16 09:40:41
                    If that's the case, then we are not owners - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 09:42:50
                         that's what I said above(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/16 09:43:34
                              Your post has much more logic than Pickle's - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 09:46:30
                                   you aren’t understanding the question and issue (nm) - pickle MU - 7/16 09:53:00
                                        Yes I do - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 10:48:48
                                             you don’t - pickle MU - 7/16 10:52:42
               That is incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 7/16 09:35:19
                    So, as an owner of my mind and body - mizzouSECedes STL - 7/16 09:36:11
                         That’s not the issue i’m raising (nm) - pickle MU - 7/16 09:48:02
                         You can go further than that. Pickle for example - tman MU - 7/16 09:39:16




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