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I've already said their are no rights pre-birth

Posted on: May 28, 2019 at 12:03:08 CT
MrBlueSky MU
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Can the mother collect child support?

Can the mother receive public welfare benefits?

Will the state pay for neonatal care for this forced gestation?

With the state pay for hospital care and delivery services for this forced gestation?

If this fetus indeed has rights, then these should be simple YES responses.
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Missouri will soon be the first state in the country without - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:09:27
     Cool but i know you’d rather kill kill kill(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 5/28 12:10:32
     Well, you ignore the compassion of the state, which only - GA Tiger MU - 5/28 11:58:10
          How about we just execute those adults on welfare - Spanky KU - 5/28 12:45:34
               I support execution, after a millio they will change behavio - Coors4bob MU - 5/28 14:06:26
     The main reason they lost their license is for offering - None**** MU - 5/28 11:37:30
     Is birth control not a thing for poor people? (nm) - Sal KC - 5/28 11:37:20
          It's a thing, but where do you think poor people often get - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:00:29
               BC is available via prescription from a nurse practitioner - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:04:53
                    Anti-abortion zealots want to criminalize the use of morning - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:16:12
                         condoms are cheap as hell (nm) - Sal KC - 5/28 12:39:13
                              Yes they are. How often you use them? (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:39:46
                                   It is none of your business - Sal KC - 5/28 12:46:08
                                        And their use of birth control is none of your business (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:47:45
                                             That makes zero sense - Sal KC - 5/28 12:49:19
                                                  I don't think anyone considers abortion to be a type of BC - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 13:18:03
                                                       I wasn't speculating about poor people using condoms - Sal KC - 5/28 13:36:11
                         I'm sure there are issues I agree with you on too(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:31:52
          Well, lack of abortions will never be enough - Mormad MU - 5/28 11:55:53
               I'm not specifically talking about birth control pills (nm) - Sal KC - 5/28 11:57:09
     End Safe Abortions NOW !(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/28 11:25:20
          nut cut all democrats. - Coors4bob MU - 5/28 14:07:13
          Every abortion is fatal, there is no such thing as a safe - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/28 12:11:21
          What is a Safe Abortion? (nm) - tcat KC - 5/28 11:39:12
               None are for the unborn human being(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:41:38
     Good. It’s not gvmt’s business (nm) - pickle MU - 5/28 11:16:16
          Uh, that is an example of govt making it their business. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:18:47
               who cares about a permit? - pickle MU - 5/28 11:20:59
                    I would think the people facing legal penalities - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:27:29
                         Then they shouldnt be in the killing business(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:28:33
                              They're not - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:29:28
                                   There are no medical reasons for an abortion - Spanky KU - 5/28 13:21:57
                                        There are reasons. And they are none of your business(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 13:29:17
                                   Are all abortions for medical reasons? (nm) - Sal KC - 5/28 12:50:27
                                        No, but it is a medical procedure. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 13:28:59
                                             You're being really inconsistent in this thread - Sal KC - 5/28 13:37:09
                                   Like I said, you either believe it is a person with rights o - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:30:35
                                        It is not as black and white as you make it out(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:33:08
                                             Sure it is. You either believe it is a person with rights or - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:34:02
                                        Right. And lots and lots of people don't - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:32:29
                                             And vice versa. If I punch your pregnant wife in the gut - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:35:23
                                                  I would kill you, so it wouldn't really matter what they - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:36:57
                                                       Lol, yet you want to dictate yours on others. Besides, the - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:38:13
                                                            No he's not. He is not trying to tell people how to - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:42:20
                                                                 Killing another person isnt medical care.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:43:53
                                                                      A nonviable fetus is not a person (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:50:49
                                                                           Ohhhh, so there is a point of viability? Is that when you - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:51:40
                                                                                I don't think a fetus has rights, period. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:53:12
                                                                                     Then why did you use the word viable? (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:55:52
                                                                                          Because a fetus at 10 weeks is not viable - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:59:49
                                                                                               So, after 12 weeks it is a person with rights?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:00:39
                                                                                                    I've already said their are no rights pre-birth - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:03:08
                                                                                                         You used the word viable. Why? Btw, one can now get tax cred - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:06:17
                                                                                                              Pregnancies are viable at about 22 weeks - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:12:55
                                                                                                                   You are all over the place on this issue. So is viability - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:15:50
                                                                                                                        I'm not all over the place. - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:18:02
                                                                                                                             Wait, you are ok with none after 22 weeks? Why?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:32:44
                                                                                                                                  Because that is the point of viability and can survive - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 12:34:18
                                                                      We are discussing abortion, not killing people (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:44:50
                                                                           Abortion is killing a human being. Just like if I punched - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:46:10
                                                                                No, you would be killing a fetus in that instance - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:47:34
                                                                                     I would be charged with homicide.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:50:53
                                                                                          Right, an unwanted abortion - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:52:39
                                                                                               Nope. I would be charged with homicide, not an unwanted - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:57:35
                                                                                                    Well while I was - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 12:01:10
                                                                                                         Nice lay down. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:02:18
                                                                                                              I don't know how I can possibly be more clear - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 12:07:32
                                                                                                                   Hitler had very similar views about the population. Certain - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:09:38
                                                                                                                        That is a terrible analogy, embarrassingly so. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 12:11:00
                                                                                                                             I can see where it would trouble you to have similar - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 12:34:11
                                                            I think the only people in this discussion not trying to - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:41:10
                                                                 Again, you are coming up with exceptions because you - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:43:18
                                                            No - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:40:58
                                                                 Killing another human being should never be considered - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:45:03
                                                                      I and many others don't share that backwards view (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:46:07
                                                                           You have made it perfectly clear that you believe that - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:47:28
                                                                                I don't see how that is the case - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:48:41
                                                                                     I'm not confused at all. You seem to be struggling though(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:52:36
                    The facility providing the service can't operate without - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:22:28
                         why not? Is there a magic forcefield around the clinic - pickle MU - 5/28 11:28:11
                              So the opposite of what you are arguing below regarding - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:34:33
                                   What? (nm) - pickle MU - 5/28 11:41:33
                                        Is there some magic force field around - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:43:55
                                             i have no idea what you’re trying to say or equate here (nm) - pickle MU - 5/28 11:49:23
                                                  I believe you (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:51:00
          But governments have made it their business (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:18:01
               that doesn’t change the fact of what i said - pickle MU - 5/28 11:19:21
     Human slaughterhouses should be banned - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/28 11:14:44
     Its really sad, and a sad representation of our state (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:12:08
     Good. It should be very difficult to kill another person(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:11:20
          Who's talking about killing another person?(nm) - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:19:43
               That's what abortion is. Killing an unborn person. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:20:30
                    My limit would be the point of viability. - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:23:34
                         Pretty simple. You either believe it is a human being - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:25:58
                              Take it you are not referring to the mom (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:30:02
                              I disagree. - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:28:22
                              There are no rights prior to birth (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:27:54
                                   Then why can I be charged for the death of an unborn child - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:29:45
          Missouri had already made it very difficult to seek an - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:18:53
          Its really easy actually thanks to the 2nd amendment (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:13:13
               you’re being stupid again (nm) - pickle MU - 5/28 11:21:53
               It is against the law to kill people. Your ilk are ok with - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:15:10
                    Do you think abortion should be illegal in any case, - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:20:37
                         Yes. If the pregnancy could kill the mother. It would be - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:22:20
                              And there are no cases where an abortion would save the life - Spanky KU - 5/28 11:29:50
                              So yeah you are a hardline no abortion ever guy. - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:25:46
                                   Like I said, you either believe it is a person with rights o - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:26:47
                                        I don't think that's true. - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:32:29
                                             A person's right to life is not simplistic. You are debating - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:36:48
                                                  You're correct about a person. - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:44:58
                                                       I didnt say anything of the sort. We agree that at some - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:49:07
                                                            You seemed to indicate otherwise. Apologies for - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 11:52:25
                                                                 If most agree that there is a point of viability then it - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:55:01
                                                                      I think that's fair.(nm) - kcnorthside KC - 5/28 12:32:49
                                        Terminating a pregnancy at 10 weeks - MrBlueSky MU - 5/28 11:29:07
                                             Yeah, I get it that you dont believe it is a person with - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:33:04
                    There are reprocussions afterwards, but the 2nd Amendment - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:17:34
                         No. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:18:49
                              I'm sure most children understand this - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:20:02
                                   You are a bloodthirsty sicko for supporting the killing of - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:21:22
                                        Whatever. Normal people live in Missouri too - FIJItiger MU - 5/28 11:24:02
                                             Weirdos are people who want to kill others. You are in favor - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:27:57
                                   It's not eluding him - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/28 11:20:52
               The 2nd amendment isn't needed to kill a person - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/28 11:14:11
                    The right to defend yourself is an extension of the right of - hefeweizen MU - 5/28 11:16:26




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