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here's the problem with the Manafort and Cohen charges.

Posted on: March 22, 2019 at 10:33:13 CT
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not that they are great guys but WHY are they being investigated in the first place?

take Cohen for example, he's investigated b/c the dossier says he went to Prague in furtherance of a conspiracy to hack the dem's emails.

based on that dossier they got a warrant for his emails. this happened 9 months before the raid on his office.

does the dossier which was obviously not verified regarding Cohen establish probable cause to obtain a warrant for his emails? i mean a prosecutor and judge said yes, but does that make it so? at best it gives reasonable suspicion. no way that they should have been able to secure a warrant for his emails based on that.

does that seem legal? oh, I get that a judge signed off on it, but something that turned out to be completely false was the basis for securing a warrant on his emails which presumably led to the discovery of taxi medallion fraud/mortgage fraud etc.

maybe you don't think that's a big deal. but I do and this is what I do for a living. frankly, I don't know how it was possible to get a warrant for his emails based on unverified dossier information. I mean it's my experience that the warrant process is a bit of a rubber stamp in the first place but this goes beyond that imo.

I have a problem with law enforcement not doing their job properly even when it yields positive results b/c I believe that the integrity of the system, such that it is, is more important than any one conviction or investigation.

Edited by blake1771 at 10:49:01 on 03/22/19
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     Obstruction of justice is a crime, no need for quotes - raskolnikov MU - 3/22 10:03:04
          Here are the US statutes dealing with Obstruction. - Spanky KU - 3/22 10:13:24
               I guess you think Bob Mueller is wasting time?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/22 11:13:06
                    What makes you think Mueller is doing anything with - Spanky KU - 3/22 11:29:02
                         I pay attention(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/22 14:28:53
                              To what? There is ZERO indication of Mueller pursuing - Spanky KU - 3/22 15:31:32
          Did Trump commit collusion with Russia--no - mu7176grad MU - 3/22 10:09:17
               Report please(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/22 10:47:06
               IMO, your first statement has not been revealed. - Toger STL - 3/22 10:11:45
                    I agree--- why I said MSNBC is already saying obstuction - mu7176grad MU - 3/22 10:13:38
                         Ok - Toger STL - 3/22 10:16:00
          There has to be a crime to obstruct for there to be - DHighlander KC - 3/22 10:08:36
               Choir boy Mueller just wasting his time huh?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/22 11:13:56
               You can be charged with lying to a fed officer - mu7176grad MU - 3/22 10:11:47
                    Are you suggesting that Trump somehow knew they were - DHighlander KC - 3/22 10:20:33
                         You and I agree---they created /found crimes - mu7176grad MU - 3/22 11:20:34
          Trump didn't obstruct anything - Sal KC - 3/22 10:07:47
          why don't you tell me the element of that crime that Trump - blake1771 KC - 3/22 10:03:49
     However, Trump hasn't obstructed anything (nm) - Sal KC - 3/22 09:56:43
          My point is I agree no original crime---no collusion - mu7176grad MU - 3/22 10:05:58
               Good. I'm glad Manafort got busted - Mormad MU - 3/22 10:11:19
                    here's the problem with the Manafort and Cohen charges. - blake1771 KC - 3/22 10:33:13
                         No, I agree with you there - Mormad MU - 3/22 10:53:09
                    I haven't seen people defend what he was doing - Sal KC - 3/22 10:18:07
     There is one huge difference. In Watergate there WAS a - DHighlander KC - 3/22 09:51:21
          that's just incorrect. - gmmm98 MU - 3/22 10:09:45
               Then feel free to make your case. What did Trump obstruct? - DHighlander KC - 3/22 10:25:04
                    i think you mean Comey. - blake1771 KC - 3/22 10:35:42
                         Correct. Thanks.(nm) - DHighlander KC - 3/22 11:07:17
     The only thing Trump has "obstructed" - MIZ45 MU - 3/22 09:43:22
     what has Trump obstructed Mueller from doing? - blake1771 KC - 3/22 09:40:19
          Not wasting money I can teel you that. (nm) - tcat KC - 3/22 09:41:23




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