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Posted on: March 20, 2019 at 18:14:31 CT
alwaysright MU
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talent versus production. None of the things you just said are wrong, but the context changes.

I would argue we've had more talent than the production of the group as a whole has shown. As was mentioned above, we should be intrigued by the potential of Knox, Scott, and Gicinto, but potential is just that. We're talking about their talent, not their production. Not saying they've failed or they're not good because their production is not top notch yet. Just noting that is isn't.

While we've had some talent in the years mentioned above, there have been problems. Drops. Ability to get open. Running the wrong route. And so while we've had some good individual seasons, what if more than one guy stepped up at the same time.

As far as position coach, I haven't really referenced that as Matt did and I won't make any declarative statements, but I do think it is fair to ask some questions.

Were Moore's issues all about Moore or did a coach never find a way to relate to him? I'd guess it's Moore, but we can't prove it.

Why did Drew have so many misses that were blamed on guys running the wrong route? Inexperience? Lack of intelligence? Or lack of coaching? And if it was lack of coaching, what aspect was to blame? Proper communication? Overly complex reads? Lack of reps?

Again, not pointing blame because we don't know all of the details to be able to do so. But asking the questions is perfectly fine.


You said yourself that it takes time to recover. If we are indeed in need of recovering, that proves that the production of the group is not what it could or should be. So while Matt maybe partly off base, he can't be totally off base of there would be no need to "recover".

Edited by alwaysright at 18:16:22 on 03/20/19
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Well done Sterk... keep it up - STRIPES - 3/20 13:51:04
     Receivers have been really weak since the 2013 season - TigerMatt STL - 3/20 13:59:04
          RE: Receivers have been really weak since the 2013 season - Ragarm MU - 3/21 11:36:49
               Wasn't Marcus Lucas on the 13' team? - mattieo86 MU - 3/21 11:47:34
                    TM said "since" 2013 (LDW, DGB & Lucas) were all pretty - tigerdb MU - 3/21 15:04:23
                         Ragarm listed a bunch of 13' receivers but I didn't see - mattieo86 MU - 3/21 15:49:33
                              RE: Ragarm listed a bunch of 13' receivers but I didn't see - Ragarm MU - 3/22 07:52:33
                                   No big deal, I was just curious(nm) - mattieo86 MU - 3/22 20:25:41
          I was impressed with Knox, Gicinto, and Scott(nm) - mattieo86 MU - 3/20 17:28:08
               Agree - STRIPES - 3/20 17:35:03
          there hasn't been depth - FootballRefugee MU - 3/20 16:38:28
          And yet we keep having receivers drafted into the NFL - STRIPES - 3/20 14:19:07
               Who are these receivers? - tigerdb MU - 3/21 14:58:52
                    They are Moore last year, Hall this year, Albert O next - STRIPES - 3/21 17:02:24
               Talent and production can be quite different. - alwaysright MU - 3/20 15:08:13
                    Pretty sure I like Emanuel Halls talent and production - STRIPES - 3/20 15:52:13
                         Hall never produced a 1,000 yard season - and that's with - tigerdb MU - 3/21 06:20:41
                              RE: Hall never produced a 1,000 yard season - and that's with - Ragarm MU - 3/21 11:39:07
                                   RE: Hall never produced a 1,000 yard season - and that's with - tigerdb MU - 3/22 08:12:16
                              So you are saying he didn't produce when healthy? - STRIPES - 3/21 09:18:48
                                   You know damn well what I stated. Hall had/has great - tigerdb MU - 3/21 12:52:50
                                        Yes I can see damn well what you are doing - STRIPES - 3/21 14:00:59
                                             Certainly not BO's fault that Hall get's injured or that - tigerdb MU - 3/21 14:53:46
                                                  Coach K's roster wasn't as good with Zion out - STRIPES - 3/21 17:06:14
                         Yes, but you can like Hall's talent and produciton AND still - alwaysright MU - 3/20 15:55:43
                              depth of talent - FootballRefugee MU - 3/20 16:43:00
                              Moore last year Hall this year Albert O next year Knox the - STRIPES - 3/20 16:40:39
                                   RE: Moore last year Hall this year Albert O next year Knox the - THEGROVE68 MU - 3/21 00:51:55
                                        Agree pro scouts don't know jack....they need your opinion - STRIPES - 3/21 14:46:18
                                             Maclin's been out of Mizzou for a while...what Mizzou wr - tigerdb MU - 3/21 15:00:01
                                                  DGB. nm - STRIPES - 3/21 17:04:21
                                                       DGB was kicked out of Mizzou & sucked in the NFL. - tigerdb MU - 3/21 18:35:19
                                                            Dumb. - Gary P. MU - 3/22 01:57:40
                                                                 What is ****ing dumb, is to assert that sasser, Moore - tigerdb MU - 3/22 05:29:16
                                                                      Is Albert going to get drafted Einstein? - STRIPES - 3/22 05:46:26
                                                                           "and yet we keep having receivers drafted into the NFL" - tigerdb MU - 3/22 06:53:48
                                                                                Wanna bet? - STRIPES - 3/22 09:02:41
                                                                                     The FACT remains that Sasser and Moore are the only Mizzou - tigerdb MU - 3/22 09:14:41
                                                                                          I'm guessing you don't want to bet - STRIPES - 3/22 09:23:43
                                                                                               I take it that you don't want to bet as to whether or not - tigerdb MU - 3/22 09:44:44
                                                                                                    I trust pro scouts more than random internets guy's opinions - STRIPES - 3/22 10:31:23
                                                                                                         What were J'mon's #'s last year? - tigerdb MU - 3/22 10:48:24
                                                                                                              His numbers? He signed for 2.9 million - STRIPES - 3/22 13:52:08
                                                                                                                   Of course I should expect this level of stupidity from one - tigerdb MU - 3/22 14:37:12
                                                                                                                        Completely unhinged - STRIPES - 3/22 15:14:49
                                                                                                                             Yes you are... - tigerdb MU - 3/22 15:17:11
                                                                                                                                  You can start apologizing now - STRIPES - 3/22 15:21:20
                                                                                                                                  RE: Yes you are... - STRIPES - 3/22 15:19:45
                                                                                                                                       ok, tardy boy - from your article: - tigerdb MU - 3/22 15:34:49
                                                                                                                                            Of course you won't apologize - STRIPES - 3/22 15:40:16
                                                                                                                                                 RE: Of course you won't apologize - tigerdb MU - 3/22 19:55:59
                                                                                                                                                      Chuckle - STRIPES - 3/22 20:10:09
                                                                                                                                                           Lol corky, - tigerdb MU - 3/23 07:41:25
                                                                                                                                                                Don't really have to try with you. - STRIPES - 3/23 08:26:18
                                                                                                                                                                     "too easY"...don't bring your mom into this little fella. - tigerdb MU - 3/23 12:06:27
                                                                                                                                                                          Momma and abortion comments - STRIPES - 3/23 12:16:27
                                                                                                                                                                               classy and "stripes"...those two don't go together(nm) - tigerdb MU - 3/23 14:18:58
                                                                                                                                                                                    Am I the one that posted about moms and hanger abortions? - STRIPES - 3/23 14:50:05
                                                                                                                                                                                         It is unfortunate that your mom didn't do the right thing(nm) - tigerdb MU - 3/23 14:59:06
                                                                                                                                                                                              No kidding, then I wouldn't have to deal with stupid people - STRIPES - 3/23 15:09:09
                                                                                                                                                                                                   You go girl(nm) - tigerdb MU - 3/23 19:04:23
                                                                                                                                                                                                        What a witty response nm - STRIPES - 3/23 20:39:02
                                                                                                                   He'll never collect that, unless he learns how to catch the - tigerdb MU - 3/22 14:31:34
                                                                                                                        Aaaawww your widdle nerve is bruised - STRIPES - 3/22 15:07:32
                                                            Did DGB play for ou? - STRIPES - 3/21 21:34:48
                                        oh shlt, logic. Duck - alwaysright MU - 3/21 07:16:14
                                   You're still talking bout pieces and not the - alwaysright MU - 3/20 17:38:27
                                        there's rarely been the depth of talent - FootballRefugee MU - 3/20 17:51:34
                                             So we are back to - alwaysright MU - 3/20 18:14:31
                                                  Geez dude - STRIPES - 3/20 19:07:25
                                                       Again, have I argued that any of what you just said is - alwaysright MU - 3/21 07:12:02
                                                            You are toying with semantics - STRIPES - 3/21 09:23:20
                                                       Check his username. - Gary P. MU - 3/20 19:30:47
                                                            Oh I know what I'm dealing with - STRIPES - 3/21 17:03:41
                                                       neverright is always right - Jeff85 MU - 3/20 19:19:53
     Everybody gets a raise except Andy Hill - eatatjoes MU - 3/20 13:56:11
          Unfortunately, it's like he's been set up to fail - Deputy Dawg MU - 3/20 19:06:16
          I hope not - STRIPES - 3/20 14:20:02
               I think he should remain on staff also, hopefully our - eatatjoes MU - 3/20 14:28:20
                    RE: I think he should remain on staff also, hopefully our - sarasotatiger MU - 3/21 10:50:42




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