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Can we agree on certain points of fact?

Posted on: January 24, 2019 at 10:05:14 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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30 minutes before a baby is born it is a viable human being and taking its life is murder.

DNA tests will tell us is someone is male or female. How they feel is not unimportant, but it does not change the scientific fact that comes from objective DNA. Feeling like the opposite sex is different than being the opposite sex.

Does anyone disagree with these points, and if so would you please explain the disagreement?
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Can we agree on certain points of fact? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:05:14
     RE: Can we agree on certain points of fact? - paleojas MU - 1/24 11:02:09
          Gender is a feeling(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:15:35
     What you say is undeniably true, but many people - None**** MU - 1/24 10:52:43
     Trying to mesh abortion AND gender - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 10:33:38
          Because that rationale is immoral(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:37:04
               Letting women make their own decisions is immoral? - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 10:50:19
                    No, but simply ceding immoral actions as you propose - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:17:14
                         Sorry, but I have to ask WTF you think you are to make - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 11:26:41
                              I will act to save an innocent life, even if the person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:39:51
                                   I back way far away from you "Morality in Action " types - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 11:45:35
                                        is forcing bakers to make cakes for LBGT "morality - 90Tiger MU - 1/24 11:51:56
                                             OMG, please, please don't tell me America's not perfect(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 12:02:48
          In the OP, are you comfortable - Floyd Turbo 99 - 1/24 10:36:34
               Not even remotely comfortable with that - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 10:54:43
                    LOL!!!! - Floyd Turbo 99 - 1/24 11:03:52
     Another fact: - JayHoaxH8r MU - 1/24 10:33:34
          uh how would they end abortion?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/24 10:39:55
               DO SOMETHING!!! Make it illegals and stuffs - JayHoaxH8r MU - 1/24 12:07:32
               You will never ever end abortion you morons(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 10:56:06
                    That was his point(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:14:57
                         No it wasn't, at least not directly(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 11:27:49
                              goddam you are stupid(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/24 11:52:50
                                   Wrong again chump, poster questioned how GOP rule could - raskolnikov MU - 1/24 12:04:15
          is there a gene for jews? - dangertim MU - 1/24 10:39:48
          How would they do that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:37:48
     Point of viability is at about the 22 week mark - MrBlueSky MU - 1/24 10:17:49
          I have seen reports of the "health" of a mother being - hokie VT - 1/24 10:36:11
          What life threatening condition or what state of health of - Floyd Turbo 99 - 1/24 10:27:11
          When babies are made most will live if you dont kill them - Coors4bob MU - 1/24 10:26:46
          RE: Point of viability is at about the 22 week mark - Ferg MU - 1/24 10:22:03
               What is the clear and objective definition of viable - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:26:46
                    I have no idea - Ferg MU - 1/24 10:27:59
                         But the government is making the law - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:29:25
                              The government is going to favor the life of the mom - MrBlueSky MU - 1/24 10:36:15
                                   OK. I accept that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:39:17
                              if it is to err on the side of life, - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/24 10:35:05
                                   Of course, that argument can be made(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:36:40
               So only nonviable pregnancies and if the woman's health - MrBlueSky MU - 1/24 10:24:29
     We can agree on that, yes. - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:14:35
          No - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:25:20
               self-defense? lmfao (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/24 10:30:55
               So, it's not murder because it's self defense? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:28:44
                    No, it's not murder because it's lawful - Mormad MU - 1/24 10:30:55
                         It absolutely is murder (nm) - pickle MU - 1/24 10:38:09
                    That is certainly one of the reasons(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:29:55
                         you're desperately beyond logic here. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/24 10:40:00
                         When someone is strapped to a gurney - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:31:48
                              At that moment, no one - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:41:21
                                   Make your own argument. (nm) - pickle MU - 1/24 10:45:10
                                   If someone is convicted for murder and spends 35 years in - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:43:00
                                        No, in our system individuals cannot make that decision - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 10:47:20
                                             but a group of people can? - pickle MU - 1/24 10:55:50
                                             Robots don't effect capital punishment. - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:55:18
                                                  Yes, the debt society determined was owed had been paid(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:14:32
                                                       So, if a fellow prisoner aggressively kills someone on death - ummmm MU - 1/24 11:19:56
                                                            In our system, courts hand down decisions based on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/24 11:41:28
                                                                 So, is that murder or not? - ummmm MU - 1/24 11:45:19
                                             In Umm's example, has he committed murder?(nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/24 10:48:52
               No one is being killed “in the act of killing others” - pickle MU - 1/24 10:27:56
          No. It is a homocide. - Mormad MU - 1/24 10:22:22
               Why not? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:23:17
                    RE: Why not? (nm) - Mormad MU - 1/24 10:26:51
                         Capital punishment is a violation of the natural law - ummmm MU - 1/24 10:29:58
                              So you want to default to a bunch of philosophers - Mormad MU - 1/24 10:48:41
                                   No, I just saw in your definition something about murder - ummmm MU - 1/24 11:01:38
                                        Only in those governmental units that have declared it to be - Mormad MU - 1/24 11:59:28
                                   Non-responsive - pickle MU - 1/24 10:56:42
                                        That's what you're doing - Mormad MU - 1/24 12:00:06
                         where did gvmt get the right to kill someone - pickle MU - 1/24 10:28:56
     Decentralize - Ferg MU - 1/24 10:14:18
     It’s not murder for the same reason taxation is not theft - pickle MU - 1/24 10:07:08




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