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Property rights and "intellectual property"

Posted on: December 20, 2018 at 09:07:51 CT
pickle MU
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as we know, a firm understanding of and respect for property rights would eliminate most conflict. and as we know, each of us has a right to our body, mind, and life, and by extension we have a right to our production, which is the result of our time, life, skill, and labor. Each of us recognizes that we all own things, that we are owners of property. That is, we have property rights to those things we own. No one else can legitimately claim a right to anything you own.

Intellectual property is not a legitimate property right. It is created by government granting a monopoly privilege in the form of patent, copyright, trademark, etc. To claim intellectual property is a legitimate property right is to claim (partial) ownership over someone else's mind, life, skill, labor, materials, and production. Information cannot be owned; it is impossible. One can look at a patent and construct, one can disassemble a can take a mold of a bottle and create, one can hear music and play by ear, one can take a book and type it out word for word, one can determine the chemical makeup and structure of medicine. And they would be YOUR production, the result of your time, life, skill, materials, and labor, and you have a right to use your production as you wish, including selling it. All of the above are examples of information, information that is seen and heard and then combined with ration, reason, and labor.

No one has any right to your mind, life, property, and production
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Property rights and "intellectual property" - pickle MU - 12/20 09:07:51
     So ideas are not protected?(nm) - tcat KC - 12/20 10:20:26
          I don't understand the question (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:29:02
     Hard to get past the first sentence. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/20 09:55:09
          i believe you (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:05:41
     lol (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 12/20 09:35:22
     Yeah..we get it - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:27:34
          lol, meat, lol (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:31:13
               RE: lol, meat, lol (nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:37:20
                    and your understanding of value and thinking someone - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:43:58
                         RE: and your understanding of value and thinking someone - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:45:43
                              value is an individual issue, meat. nobody has a right to - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:52:39
                                   RE: value is an individual issue, meat. nobody has a right to - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:56:14
                                        Markets determine prices, not values. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/20 10:01:01
                                             RE: Markets determine prices, not values. (nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:02:13
                                                  Not necessarily - ummmm MU - 12/20 10:08:24
                                                       RE: Not necessarily - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:09:49
                                                            Oh, **** off, meat (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:17:35
                                                                 Wow..I hit the tiggrrrr never(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:19:22
                                                                      this thread exemplifies why I contend you don't truly - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:51:03
                                                                           LOL - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:56:28
                                                                                you're the one who jumped in with the straw man - pickle MU - 12/20 10:58:51
                                                  you don't understand value at all - pickle MU - 12/20 10:05:20
                                                       IP has everything to do with value - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:06:49
                                                            It doesn't have anything to do with value - pickle MU - 12/20 10:16:58
                                                                 LOL - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:18:59
                                                                      the same way it enforces taxes and tariffs and such (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:27:18
                                                                      by force and gunpoint (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:24:45
                                                                           RE: by force and gunpoint (nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:31:36
                                                                                it didn't go over my head, meat (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:58:08
                                        You're taking a pro-tariff type position here and don't even - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:58:01
                                             RE: You're taking a pro-tariff type position here and don't even - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:59:49
                                        No, the market does not figure out that value (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:57:10
                                             correct. that's like saying "society determines what's - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:58:55
                                                  RE: correct. that's like saying "society determines what's - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:00:50
                                                       No, meat. the market is not a group of individuals - pickle MU - 12/20 10:03:45
                                                       you're utterly lost and now running in circles around "value - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:01:38
                              what if you created something and no one wanted it? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:52:00
                                   the it won't be sold - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:53:10
                                        What about your right to value?(nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:56:13
                                             RE: What about your right to value?(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:56:54
                                                  Your entire argument is that there is - pickle MU - 12/20 09:58:00
                              Value is subjective. there is no right to value (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:48:28
                    the entire post (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:43:32
                    everything. it was a straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:42:07
                         RE: everything. it was a straw man (nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:44:12
                              I'm trying to have a discussion - pickle MU - 12/20 09:47:37
                                   You are not at all - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:52:35
                                        again, I have never mentioned value in discussing IP - pickle MU - 12/20 09:55:45
                                        You don't even realize you're arguing for monopoly protecti - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:53:55
                                             Not really - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:58:16
                                                  yes, really (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:04:23
                              well, you stated his position incorrectly and wanted to - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:45:15
          i don't believe that at all. I've never mentioned value - pickle MU - 12/20 09:28:57
               lol (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 12/20 09:35:36
               Value is the main reason around - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:30:45
                    No, that is not the main reason around IP - pickle MU - 12/20 09:34:49
                         I know IP quite well - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:36:53
                              that isn't a reason at all, meat (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:41:45
                         lol (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 12/20 09:35:47




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