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Lefties lie about the lack of ID's

Posted on: November 14, 2018 at 15:05:48 CT
Spanky KU
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Don Palmer is the Former Secretary of the Virginia State Board of Elections and Florida Director of Elections.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/01/13/how-the-left-misreported-the-number-of-voting-americans-without-ids/

The use of photo identification to confirm the identity of voters serves an essential election security function in America’s polling places and boosts citizens’ confidence in the voting process. In perhaps their most prevalent means of attack, opponents of laws requiring photo ID greatly exaggerate the number of voters without a valid ID.

In legislative, litigation, and public relations battles, opponents use wildly inflated numbers in an attempt both to portray these laws as burdensome and to gain partisan advantage.

Inflating the Numbers

Opponents of photo ID cite a highly inflated number of voters who do not possess a driver’s license as the universal number of those who are not able to vote, even though, under all state photo ID laws, various other forms of ID, such as federal and state government IDs, U.S. passports, tribal IDs, and even employer-issued or university student IDs, are also acceptable.

This tactic of inflating the number of ID-less voters began years ago with the debate surrounding and subsequent litigation challenging Indiana’s photo ID law, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 2008 in a 6-3 decision and which continued in Georgia, Wisconsin, and other states.

In the Indiana case, Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, the plaintiff submitted an expert report estimating that as many as 989,000 registered Indiana voters did not possess an ID.

However, a simple comparison of Census voting-age population data to the state driver’s license records showed that only 43,000—or approximately 1 percent of voters—did not possess a state-issued driver’s license or ID card, and that number ignored Indiana’s inflated voter rolls, other acceptable forms of ID possessed by voters, and voters who did not need an ID to vote.

A majority on the U.S. Supreme Court refused to rely on sketchy and incomplete statistics and quoted the district court opinion that the numbers provided by the plaintiff’s expert witness were “utterly incredible and unreliable.”

Unreliable Data

The challenge to Georgia’s photo ID law came on the heels of Crawford. In that case, the plaintiffs used incomplete and unreliable data to claim that “between 289,000 and 505,000 [Georgia] voters lack a photo identification issued by the Department of Driver Safety” and claimed that it was “implausible” that these voters would have another form of valid ID.

In upholding Georgia’s photo ID law, the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals rejected both contentions, noting errors and inaccuracies in the match between the driver’s license records and the list of registered voters, among other problems.

In an ironic example of the multiple matching errors, the court noted that the district court judge himself “erroneously appeared on one of the data match lists as not having a driver’s license.” The report was found to be so riddled with errors that the court excluded it as evidence.

The importance of getting an accurate estimate of those who lack a valid, acceptable photo ID was on display in Frank v. Walker, the now-dismissed Voting Rights Act challenge to Wisconsin’s photo ID law.

The plaintiffs’ expert witness, a “marketing consultant,” estimated that over 317,735 or approximately 9.4 percent of registered voters in Wisconsin lacked either a driver’s license or a state ID. In Walker, the federal district court judge accepted that highly suspect statistic to distinguish the Wisconsin law from the Indiana ID law upheld in Crawford.

Ultimately, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the district court. In his opinion, Judge Frank Easterbrook criticized the district court’s conclusions as to the supposedly large number of individuals without ID as “questionable.” The Supreme Court declined to review the case, and the Wisconsin photo ID law went into effect.

All the plaintiffs in the Wisconsin, Georgia, and Indiana cases overstated the number of potential voters without a valid ID to vote. In these cases, the courts ultimately were wise enough to see through the unreliable statistics and incomplete or nonexistent comparisons of state voter registration lists with state and federal databases of citizens who possess forms of ID other than driver’s licenses.

Changing Public Opinion, With Faulty Statistics

Bad data and faulty statistics also have a negative impact on public debate. Opponents have worked very hard to change the perception of photo ID from being a positive commonsense election administration reform, supported by a majority of the public and recommended by experts such as the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform (otherwise known as the Carter-Baker Commission), to involving the reimposition of “Jim Crow.”

Often the media do not accurately report voter ID statistics. For example, even though both the data and reasoning used by a Wisconsin district court judge were later criticized as “questionable” by the Seventh Circuit, the statistics cited by that judge are still widely circulated by ID opponents and by media outlets such as MSNBC in reports about photo ID in Wisconsin.

The use of wildly inaccurate and misleading data inhibits a rational legislative or policy debate on the likely effect of photo identification laws and bleeds into the debate about other important election reform proposals across the country.

Policymakers and the public deserve to hear the truth about the relatively small universe of affected voters, not inflammatory and inaccurate assertions that hundreds of thousands or millions of voters are going to be negatively affected by such laws.
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     The ID argument is a bizarre one - Sal KC - 11/14 15:15:32
          I don't mind an ID, but is it necessary if a person has - kcnorthside KC - 11/14 15:27:13
          and nearly every adult has a valid ID - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:21:14
          RE: The ID argument is a bizarre one - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:20:30
               I had to show ID to buy beer the other day. I'm 70. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:40:53
               lol Spanky just punted you into orbit - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/14 15:35:10
               Donate blood - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:26:49
                    No thanks - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:30:19
                         and equally afraid of telling the truth, apparently - Spanky KU - 11/14 17:31:45
               pick up an Rx - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:26:33
                    I've never had to show my ID for a prescription(nm) - kcnorthside KC - 11/14 15:28:36
                    I don't need any prescriptions(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:26:57
               Board a plane - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:26:02
                    There's one(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:26:37
               Buy/rent a car - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:25:37
                    I just rented a car and didn't need to show ID - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:26:23
                         I've literally had to show my ID every time I've rented - Sal KC - 11/14 15:45:19
                              Yep.. playhard is fibbing to say he doesn't have to - Spanky KU - 11/14 17:23:02
                         You are lying - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:28:07
                              Well i guess i just got away with it then - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:28:49
                                   Nope.. just not telling the truth - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:31:47
               apply for a mortgage - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:25:16
                    I probably did for that but it's been awhile(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:30:45
               Rent a place to live - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:25:01
                    I own a house(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:25:35
                         Your mommy does, anyways.... - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:40:43
               apply for a job - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:24:35
                    unlike you i have a job(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:25:53
               Buy cigarettes - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:24:08
                    I don't smoke and have never been asked to provide one - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:27:28
               Order a drink - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:23:48
                    I don't drink(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:27:41
               Check into a hotel - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:23:05
                    I've never been asked to provide photo ID to check - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:28:08
                         You are an unconscienable liar, very much like 99% of libs - Mizzou Lou KC - 11/14 15:32:40
                         You are lying - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:28:41
                              Maybe they just don't like the looks of you but i've - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:29:53
                                   and DL - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:32:25
               Use a credit card that doesn't have your picture on it. - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:22:27
                    I rarely am asked to show ID when i use - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:23:41
          Just another excuse to throw the racist ad hominem - Penske material ARMY - 11/14 15:17:05
     Lefties lie about the lack of ID's - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:05:48
     Trump didn't say that.(nm) - AllThingsKC MU - 11/14 14:49:39
     Trump quip is presented backwards and out-of-context. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 14:47:13
          He's lying about illegal votes, first of all. - kcnorthside KC - 11/14 15:30:13
          No its not at all surprising that you lie about Trump - JG A - 11/14 14:59:51
               I credit you with three lies. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:08:56
                    Then you just lied three times - JG A - 11/14 15:30:12
                         I credit you with another lie. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:35:51
               RE: No its not at all surprising that you lie about Trump - MOCO SON MU - 11/14 15:01:49
                    He thinks (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) that calling - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:08:15
                         LOL saying that I say people who disagree with me - JG A - 11/14 15:31:22
                              I credit you with yet another lie. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:36:46
          That doesn't contain any clarifying context - FIJItiger MU - 11/14 14:55:15
               It's a manner of speaking. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:05:40
                    As in a - FIJItiger MU - 11/14 15:08:35
                         The cereal box is not implied to be an ID. - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 15:33:46
          The left wing liars here don't care about the actual truth - Penske material ARMY - 11/14 14:51:27
     I guess half of his lying is understandable - JG A - 11/14 14:32:19
          Who? MrBS or the tweeter he uses for reference? - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 14:50:58
               Only the most dishonest would not know I was talking - JG A - 11/14 14:54:22
                    Only the most dishonest and delusional would conclude that - Alferd Packer MU - 11/14 14:56:01
                         LOL and the poster child proves my point - JG A - 11/14 14:57:15
          Ironic (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 11/14 14:36:29
               Now it is, red heifer tusk boy - JG A - 11/14 14:38:46
     You need an ID to do almost anything. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/14 14:30:41
          I don't recall the last time someone asked for a photo ID - tigerdb MU - 11/14 15:06:51
               I needed ID to fly out to vegas a few weeks ago and to vote - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 15:12:40
          Define almost anything...I rarely have to show my ID for - playhard NWMSU - 11/14 14:59:53
          You've suggested this before. And I'll respond the same - MrBlueSky MU - 11/14 14:32:17
               Why does the location matter? Just get your voters an id. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/14 14:53:12
                    Yep.. let Costco, Sam's CLub and local banks - Spanky KU - 11/14 15:04:18
               NEVADA just passed a law that getting your ID at DMV - JG A - 11/14 14:34:19
                    It's actually pro-republican (nm) - pickle MU - 11/14 14:40:27
                         I can see why you might think so- but no its not - JG A - 11/14 14:42:21
                              Oh, you mean Republican (nm) - pickle MU - 11/14 15:41:47
                    Very smart. - MrBlueSky MU - 11/14 14:35:05
                         What if someone doesn't want to be registered? - pickle MU - 11/14 14:39:34
                         How do you automatically register 18 year olds ? - mu7176grad MU - 11/14 14:39:20
     He has no filter, that is a certainty(nm) - jmlppx MU - 11/14 14:30:24
          He's completely clueless as to how an average American - MrBlueSky MU - 11/14 14:33:10
               Likely, but he sure knew how to sell to them. It was - jmlppx MU - 11/14 14:41:32
               In his defense - FIJItiger MU - 11/14 14:36:23
     LAUGH - mizzoumurfkc KC - 11/14 14:28:44
     I wonder when the last time he actually went to - tsutiger57 MU - 11/14 14:28:11
          I'd bet he's never been inside a grocery store(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/14 14:29:58
               I'd bet not in the last 50 years or so - JG A - 11/14 14:32:59




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