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idiot parents. Kids not being vaccinated. Ignores illegals. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 09:36:41

Are you for forced vaccinations? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 09:45:19

To be honest, not sure about that. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:00:56

I have never heard a clear answer on this, Why should - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:37:33

herd immunity principle - paleojas MU - 10/13 05:50:04

The irony, is unvaccinated kids are a danger. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 11:00:54

so you want to protect people from themselves and manage - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:19:05

I appreciate the answer. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:03:37

You don't justify more gvmt power over personal liberty - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:01:50

That's nice in academia theory, not reality. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:24:52

your words really come to mind for a response here: - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:38:13

That's a ridiculous pickle type response from you. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:57:19

lol, so you want "not total control" on these things? - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:59:58

Clarify? No govt ever is a stupid concept. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 11:09:21

can you link to my "no gvmt ever" post? thanks (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:10:18

You wouldn't think such a simple concept would be so - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:34:13

who gets to make the list of obvious things the gubmit - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:37:36

me(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:43:27

Just last night, I was watching something about these - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:05:10

They are advocating for the natural rights of animals(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:09:40

Animals don't have those. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:12:58

why not?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:13:11

They cannot answer where there 'natural rights' derive from, - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:46:23

Natural rights come from God, Nature's God, nature - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:01:54

NO, it has never been answered. You have talked around it - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 11:15:21

I literally just answered it. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:25:22

Yes and I have heard that the moon is made of cheese, that - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:16:06

I realize you won't accept my answer - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:20:56

if They are self evident as you claim why are they not found - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:30:09

They are inherent to every single human being on the planet. - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:33:41

You give absolutely no proof of your claim. In this post ^ - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:05:57

It's fun every now and then to watch them flail - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:59:15

that's been answered for you previously. why would - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:17:41

It's never been answered, it's been danced around - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:21:31

It's been answered again in this thread - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:32:03

Again, it wasn't answered - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:32:50

RE: Again, it wasn't answered - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:35:05

it most definitely is, humans are the only - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:37:12

^^ speaking of a dumb argument. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:39:55

lol exactly, they exist - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:41:13

if you consider yourself a conservative, ask yourself - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:52:11

does algebra exist, other than as a human construct - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:47:27

Natural rights exist. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:43:47

They exist as an artificial construct - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:47:27

No, it is universal among humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:48:35

like this one? - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:19:58

is calculus an artificial construct simply because - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:48:07

gravity isn't a natural right - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:38:51

Is that really the best arrow in his quiver here? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:40:20

i see zero evidence supporting the existence of a quiver (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:41:44

True (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:44:34

We've been over this a thousand times. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:17:17

Does our president have natural rights? (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/12 10:23:49

Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:25:21

You just said there were baseline requirements to possess - FIJItiger MU

- 10/12 10:25:52

Each individual human doesn't have to describe them - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:26:58

So in your opinion - FIJItiger MU

- 10/12 10:29:05

God you're an idiot(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:32:03

Oh, I get it. You're making a dehumanizing joke. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:30:41

No, I'm attempting to include them as functioning humans(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 10/12 10:34:46

No, you're not (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:35:28

Did Neanderthals have natural rights?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:20:44

Don't know. They didn't leave much of an historical - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:25:59

interesting. what would suffice as an adequate - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:30:49

What he is saying is that rights are a human construct. BUT - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:55:40

Natural rights are inherent in all humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:03:44

Please prove your assertion. Exactly which chromosome - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 11:17:36

Lol what? - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:27:32

Since when? You claim that to be true, in most cultures - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:24:29

Yes, there is a reason why those people are considered - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:32:07

You are the one missing the big picture here. If Natural - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:11:51

Your thinking is so utterly rigid. - ummmm MU - 10/12 13:16:31

And this is at least the seventh where I remind you that - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:33:50

Something demonstrating their ability to comprehend - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:34:24

like a written language?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:35:12

A spoken language could do it too - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:36:05

Ah so the ability to communicate using vocalization - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:38:00

depends on the thoughts being communicated, not - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:46:50

Depending on what was vocalized, yes. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:40:55

what would need to be vocalized?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:43:02

Again: - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:44:10

Ok, so if there were an animal - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:45:55

Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:47:27

Perfect, so natural rights are not limited to humans(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:47:53

Every animal has its own nature, including humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:49:43

No, so natural rights ARE limited to humans, but the - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:49:20

It already has happened - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 10:54:55

So, then there is a chance those species had - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:02:47

That it is not something unique or inherent to humans - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 11:10:08

so you're really only arguing that it isn't limited to - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:17:11

lol no dude jesus, I'm arguing that it's not part of any - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 11:28:40

It is unique to humans today. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:30:53

if it ever existed in other animals, by definition it is - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 11:38:19

I've never stated otherwise. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:39:33

ok good, so animals can have natural rights - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 11:58:10

but don't (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:05:14

"can"? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 12:00:34

so you just argued that other hominids and some - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:01:37

no I've argued that the entire thing is arbitrary - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 10/12 11:03:12

arbitrary? you're ignoring that human beings (other - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:13:55

Your first post was about the Whole Foods eco-terrorists - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:05:19

so if an eco-vegan gvmt is installed, she can be a brownshir - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:06:31

/smh (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:05:43

Unless it is protection of natural rights - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:10:02

or eternal soul/moral well-being (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:16:01

100% agree (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:15:43

CDC = government. Yeah we need more of this.(nm) - glue MU - 10/12 09:41:24

Until this power is out of the hands of gvmt, which I'm - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:48:27

I would recommend people make informed decisions - glue MU - 10/12 12:52:00

I would recommend that people make an informed decision - ummmm MU - 10/12 09:53:26

me too, but I'm not sure that's relevant to my response to - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:54:34

You should move to the jungles of borneo. No government - hokie VT - 10/12 09:42:44

That would preferable to being a statist sheep(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/12 09:44:27

if that's the case, what's keeping you from moving? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:49:25

I'll answer for him. Liberal hypocrisy. nm - hokie VT - 10/12 10:14:05

No, I just don't think he believes what he just typed (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:16:28

There are dumb parents across politics who don't - MrBlueSky MU - 10/12 09:40:19

Remember, it's not just Idiots on the left that don't - tcat KC - 10/12 09:38:53

I'll agree It's just insane that we are creating epidemics - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 09:41:56

Between the anti-vaxxer's and the homeless living with - Tigrrrr! MU

- 10/12 09:53:00

no I've argued that the entire thing is arbitrary

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