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You don't justify more gvmt power over personal liberty

Posted on: October 12, 2018 at 10:01:50 CT
90Tiger STL
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in the name of "saving lives".

that's how every single overreach is justified.
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idiot parents. Kids not being vaccinated. Ignores illegals. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 09:36:41
     Are you for forced vaccinations? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 09:45:19
          To be honest, not sure about that. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:00:56
               I have never heard a clear answer on this, Why should - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:37:33
                    herd immunity principle - paleojas MU - 10/13 05:50:04
                    The irony, is unvaccinated kids are a danger. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 11:00:54
                         so you want to protect people from themselves and manage - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:19:05
               I appreciate the answer. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:03:37
               You don't justify more gvmt power over personal liberty - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:01:50
                    That's nice in academia theory, not reality. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:24:52
                         your words really come to mind for a response here: - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:38:13
                              That's a ridiculous pickle type response from you. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 10:57:19
                                   lol, so you want "not total control" on these things? - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:59:58
                                        Clarify? No govt ever is a stupid concept. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 11:09:21
                                             can you link to my "no gvmt ever" post? thanks (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:10:18
                         You wouldn't think such a simple concept would be so - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:34:13
                              who gets to make the list of obvious things the gubmit - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:37:36
                                   me(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:43:27
                    Just last night, I was watching something about these - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:05:10
                         They are advocating for the natural rights of animals(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:09:40
                              Animals don't have those. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:12:58
                                   why not?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:13:11
                                        They cannot answer where there 'natural rights' derive from, - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:46:23
                                             Natural rights come from God, Nature's God, nature - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:01:54
                                                  NO, it has never been answered. You have talked around it - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 11:15:21
                                                       I literally just answered it. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:25:22
                                                            Yes and I have heard that the moon is made of cheese, that - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:16:06
                                                                 I realize you won't accept my answer - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:20:56
                                                                      if They are self evident as you claim why are they not found - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:30:09
                                                                           They are inherent to every single human being on the planet. - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:33:41
                                                                                You give absolutely no proof of your claim. In this post ^ - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:05:57
                                             It's fun every now and then to watch them flail - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:59:15
                                        that's been answered for you previously. why would - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:17:41
                                             It's never been answered, it's been danced around - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:21:31
                                                  It's been answered again in this thread - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:32:03
                                                       Again, it wasn't answered - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:32:50
                                                            RE: Again, it wasn't answered - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:35:05
                                                                 it most definitely is, humans are the only - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:37:12
                                                                      ^^ speaking of a dumb argument. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:39:55
                                                                           lol exactly, they exist - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:41:13
                                                                                if you consider yourself a conservative, ask yourself - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:52:11
                                                                                does algebra exist, other than as a human construct - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:47:27
                                                                                Natural rights exist. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:43:47
                                                                                     They exist as an artificial construct - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:47:27
                                                                                          No, it is universal among humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:48:35
                                                                                               like this one? - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:19:58
                                                                                          is calculus an artificial construct simply because - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:48:07
                                                                      gravity isn't a natural right - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:38:51
                                                                           Is that really the best arrow in his quiver here? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:40:20
                                                                                i see zero evidence supporting the existence of a quiver (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:41:44
                                                                                     True (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:44:34
                                        We've been over this a thousand times. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:17:17
                                             Does our president have natural rights? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/12 10:23:49
                                                  Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:25:21
                                                       You just said there were baseline requirements to possess - FIJItiger MU - 10/12 10:25:52
                                                            Each individual human doesn't have to describe them - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:26:58
                                                                 So in your opinion - FIJItiger MU - 10/12 10:29:05
                                                                      God you're an idiot(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:32:03
                                                                      Oh, I get it. You're making a dehumanizing joke. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:30:41
                                                                           No, I'm attempting to include them as functioning humans(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 10/12 10:34:46
                                                                                No, you're not (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:35:28
                                             Did Neanderthals have natural rights?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:20:44
                                                  Don't know. They didn't leave much of an historical - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:25:59
                                                       interesting. what would suffice as an adequate - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:30:49
                                                            What he is saying is that rights are a human construct. BUT - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 10:55:40
                                                                 Natural rights are inherent in all humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:03:44
                                                                      Please prove your assertion. Exactly which chromosome - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 11:17:36
                                                                           Lol what? - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:27:32
                                                                                Since when? You claim that to be true, in most cultures - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:24:29
                                                                                     Yes, there is a reason why those people are considered - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:32:07
                                                                                          You are the one missing the big picture here. If Natural - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:11:51
                                                                                               Your thinking is so utterly rigid. - ummmm MU - 10/12 13:16:31
                                                                                                    And this is at least the seventh where I remind you that - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 13:33:50
                                                            Something demonstrating their ability to comprehend - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:34:24
                                                                 like a written language?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:35:12
                                                                      A spoken language could do it too - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:36:05
                                                                           Ah so the ability to communicate using vocalization - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:38:00
                                                                                depends on the thoughts being communicated, not - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:46:50
                                                                                Depending on what was vocalized, yes. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:40:55
                                                                                     what would need to be vocalized?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:43:02
                                                                                          Again: - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:44:10
                                                                                               Ok, so if there were an animal - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:45:55
                                                                                                    Yes. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:47:27
                                                                                                         Perfect, so natural rights are not limited to humans(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:47:53
                                                                                                              Every animal has its own nature, including humans. - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:49:43
                                                                                                              No, so natural rights ARE limited to humans, but the - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:49:20
                                                                                                                   It already has happened - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 10:54:55
                                                                                                                        So, then there is a chance those species had - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:02:47
                                                                                                                             That it is not something unique or inherent to humans - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 11:10:08
                                                                                                                                  so you're really only arguing that it isn't limited to - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:17:11
                                                                                                                                       lol no dude jesus, I'm arguing that it's not part of any - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 11:28:40
                                                                                                                                            It is unique to humans today. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:30:53
                                                                                                                                                 if it ever existed in other animals, by definition it is - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 11:38:19
                                                                                                                                                      I've never stated otherwise. - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:39:33
                                                                                                                                                           ok good, so animals can have natural rights - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 11:58:10
                                                                                                                                                                but don't (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/12 12:05:14
                                                                                                                                                                "can"? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 12:00:34
                                                                                                                        so you just argued that other hominids and some - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:01:37
                                                                                                                             no I've argued that the entire thing is arbitrary - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/12 11:03:12
                                                                                                                                  arbitrary? you're ignoring that human beings (other - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 11:13:55
                                                                                                                                  Your first post was about the Whole Foods eco-terrorists - ummmm MU - 10/12 11:05:19
                         so if an eco-vegan gvmt is installed, she can be a brownshir - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:06:31
                         /smh (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:05:43
                              Unless it is protection of natural rights - ummmm MU - 10/12 10:10:02
                                   or eternal soul/moral well-being (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:16:01
                                   100% agree (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:15:43
     CDC = government. Yeah we need more of this.(nm) - glue MU - 10/12 09:41:24
          Until this power is out of the hands of gvmt, which I'm - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:48:27
               I would recommend people make informed decisions - glue MU - 10/12 12:52:00
               I would recommend that people make an informed decision - ummmm MU - 10/12 09:53:26
                    me too, but I'm not sure that's relevant to my response to - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:54:34
          You should move to the jungles of borneo. No government - hokie VT - 10/12 09:42:44
               That would preferable to being a statist sheep(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/12 09:44:27
                    if that's the case, what's keeping you from moving? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 09:49:25
                         I'll answer for him. Liberal hypocrisy. nm - hokie VT - 10/12 10:14:05
                              No, I just don't think he believes what he just typed (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 10:16:28
     There are dumb parents across politics who don't - MrBlueSky MU - 10/12 09:40:19
     Remember, it's not just Idiots on the left that don't - tcat KC - 10/12 09:38:53
          I'll agree It's just insane that we are creating epidemics - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 09:41:56
               Between the anti-vaxxer's and the homeless living with - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/12 09:53:00




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