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both are being detained. the difference is that if they

Posted on: June 21, 2018 at 11:49:07 CT
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aren't requesting asylum they are usually found guilty, sentenced to time served and repatriated comparatively rather quickly.

if they are requesting asylum it takes longer b/c there is a huge backlog. asylum requests are up exponentially. there are myriad reasons for this, some legit, some not so legit and some as a result of idiotic legislation such as automatic asylum hearings for minors from non-border countries.

keep in mind those caught sneaking in and requesting asylum in that manner are breaking the law. had they requested asylum in their own country at a US embassy or consulate or, for example, in Mexico in a US embassy or Consulate or at a Port of Entry then they wouldn't have broken the law at all. but since they decided to enter illegally and then retroactively request asylum they **** up the system b/c they broke the law.

this problem, as has been pointed out numerous times, is the asylum process takes longer than the 20 days they can legally hold children.

the solution is to just allow asylees to remain with their children through the adjudication process. the EO is trying this but it's at odds with the law.

the left's only solution seems to be to just catch and release. but something like 65% of those released in this manner never goes to their hearings. and something like only 1 in 5 asylees is granted asylum b/c they are getting lots of people especially those with minors falsely claiming it.

the whole problem is caused by incentivizing coming here with children through the Obama's Admin's catch and release program. although even he still prosecuted 20% of them.

the problem is exacerbated by Trump admin's policy of prosecuting everyone in the sense that the Flores decree and logistics make it hard to do that.

so either you streamline the process to take less than 20 days, you catch and release or you change the law or some combo.

personally, i'd like to see it streamlined and the law changed. i'd like to see Congress do that and have it not be done by EO.
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     here - the "misdemeanor" angle is a diversion - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 11:31:58
          RE: here - the "misdemeanor" angle is a diversion - justwinbaby KC - 6/21 11:46:23
               So is it that policy that the media and the Dems - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:50:44
                    they are conflating 2 issues. one is "zero tolerance" - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 12:20:51
          Seems like we're on the same page on this - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:40:20
               yes and the 9th circuit told the exec branch how - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 11:48:17
     from my read it appears that home school parents are - dangertim MU - 6/21 11:18:09
     The crime at hand is a misdemeanor - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/21 11:05:12
          People are arrested and processed on misdemeanors - Sal KC - 6/21 12:18:44
          But you are illegally in the country. Should the child that - hokie VT - 6/21 11:34:33
          the misdemeanor angle is a canard. they aren't - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 11:32:35
               It's not a canard at all... - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/21 12:25:55
                    the triviality or severity of the crime isn't the reason for - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 12:35:58
                         the retreat to the severity of the crime - Sal KC - 6/21 12:41:41
                              this is truly a very weak deflection approach (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 6/21 12:59:08
                    There are various levels of misdemeanors - Sal KC - 6/21 12:30:38
          Well if I'm held in jail until my trial, - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:11:02
               How many misdemeanor offenses - MrBlueSky MU - 6/21 11:13:02
                    Immigration laws are a different monster - Sal KC - 6/21 12:19:41
                    Well, I never commited a crime in a country I wasn't a - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:17:18
                         Of the undocumented individuals being detained at the border - MrBlueSky MU - 6/21 11:18:56
                              Ok, how many crimes do they need to commit - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:22:44
                                   That's why many of them are turned away... - MrBlueSky MU - 6/21 11:23:45
                                        From what I hear is that the only ones being - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:33:33
                                             both are being detained. the difference is that if they - blake1771 KC - 6/21 11:49:07
                                                  Thank you. Now I understand it better.(nm) - tcat UMKC - 6/21 12:00:20
          Yep (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 6/21 11:10:59
     "How come no one has an issue when Social Services..." - pickle MU - 6/21 10:58:16
          So you have an issue with Social Services - GODZILLA MU - 6/21 11:24:21
               For the record, I agree with that family separation. - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:35:16
          Well it looks like your the only one because - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:02:52
               Because I read your posts - pickle MU - 6/21 11:18:54
                    That doesn't mean I don't respect - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:29:56
     sheldom are children put in DHS custody after - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/21 10:56:52
          Wouldn't they be if the parents are locked up no matter - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:00:15
               yes, it is(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/21 11:08:37
               Children are removed from parents by - Tiger_Claw MU - 6/21 11:02:15
                    but they would if those crimes were punished harder, correct - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:04:13
                         What are you saying? Are you implying that a - Tiger_Claw MU - 6/21 11:06:11
                              Well, with his example - Mormad MU - 6/21 11:10:52
                                   So what their doing wouldn't be considered - tcat UMKC - 6/21 11:14:17
                                        Interesting question - since they're not citizens - Mormad MU - 6/21 11:50:22




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