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Anyone who wants ZERO government assistance for anyone

Posted on: May 25, 2018 at 19:31:24 CT
hokie VT
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at any time for any reason is just a nut.

Government has a role. It is not the role of mommy or daddy or nanny, it is the role of extending temporarily, a helping hand to someone who is down on his luck. Americans helping americans.

Temporarily, not generationally. That is part of the role of government. To believe, or rather to say you believe that government has no role whatever in ever extending a hand for any reason to any person for any length of time is just nuts.

Regulate the flow of labor over the border. Labor? Like MS 13, like the welfare recipients, like the pregnant moms, like the drug dealers...why not call a spade a spade and not a gardening implement? He's talking about immigration, but disguising it as a labor issue.

People are not entitled to come here. Any more than marine seargent timmoresse was entitled to make a wrong turn at the border and serve months in a mexican federal prison.

We get to decide who we want to allow in. People who can contribute, people who will make us stronger. People who will give more than they take.

The military needs to be massively upsized. Obama has depleted it to dangerous levels and yes, most dovish naive peace-nics who want to retreat within our borders and only defend our nation are nuts.

This is not the friggin alamo. There are ways in here and there are enough americans out there, that we can not just wait on top of the wall and shoot the injuns or the russians or the terrorists when they attack with infantry, calvary and cannon.

The US is the last best hope of the world. No, we are not policemen. But we can deter threats for the sake of world peace. You in favor, i mean is ummm in favor of world peace?

We can fight our enemies over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

I would argue that our presence on the korean peninsula has kept the peace in a region that includes china and north korea, peaceful for sixty years. You prefer war, i mean does ummm prefer war?

Similarly in europe. Smallish conflicts, not major conflagrations.

All i'm saying is that call immigration issues what they are. Yes there is a labor component to immigration, but it is not an effort to centrally control the flow of labor.

That's not honest.

Edited by hokie at 19:33:28 on 05/25/18
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     If things are great, hard to get more tax money for bribes. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 18:17:08
          And yet you want the govt to centrally regulate the labor - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:26:08
               Rita wants the gov to centrally regulate the labor - hokie VT - 5/25 18:28:17
                    He's not even close. As usual. He's an open border. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 18:45:36
                         People organize government for protection from - Alferd Packer MU - 5/25 19:03:12
                         Odd that umm painted this as a socialist issue not an - hokie VT - 5/25 18:48:38
                              Can't blame them for that, the truth is rarely on their side - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 18:55:26
                                   ummmm didn't argue for or against immigration numbers. - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:00:53
                                        That's a very weak effort. 1 in 8 is immigrant. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:05:23
                                             he wants the entire federal entitlement state eliminated - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:09:07
                                                  Let me know when you manage to get 1 program canceled. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:15:30
                                                       So when you whine about tax money for bribes (which - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:17:06
                                                            Yet again, you demand nothing can end, unless is all does. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:23:41
                                                                 "it all does"? I thought you were for the end of - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:24:24
                              Despite Ummmm explicitly stating the foundation for his - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:53:57
                                   Obviously, i'm just plain thick. Why do you suppose ummm - hokie VT - 5/25 18:56:50
                                        because labor isn't immigration, hokie. If i work in - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:10:22
                    Yes. He wants the govt to regulate the inputs of skilled and - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:30:46
                         Jargon use is always a bad sign of - Alferd Packer MU - 5/25 18:37:19
                              Ummm simply wants open borders, no rules. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 18:51:16
                              Oh yes, i guess I could ignore the impacts on free markets - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:41:17
                         Regulate the inputs? Not sure what that means? Maybe i'll - hokie VT - 5/25 18:33:28
                              It means he wants big govt to interfere with potential - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:36:19
                                   For my part, I find the issue somewhat more complex than - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:41:09
                                        I'm on my phone. I'll be happy to have rid discussion with - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:43:20
                                             thx for letting me know. i dig your stuff :-) (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:45:45
                                   Thanx. Run along now. I'll wait for rita to explain. nm - hokie VT - 5/25 18:37:28
                                        I believe "certain people" is jargon for "illegal aliens." - Alferd Packer MU - 5/25 18:41:17
                                             Gotta parse every syllable from a lefty or an idiot. They - hokie VT - 5/25 18:44:39
                                                  They can't just come out and directly say what the hell - Alferd Packer MU - 5/25 18:54:49
                                                       Truth is poison to the left. Honesty's only by accident. nm - hokie VT - 5/25 18:58:52
                                                            RE: Truth is poison to the left. Honesty's only by accident. nm - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:12:43
                                                  Ummmm is an idiot for correctly pointing out Rhay's - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:52:47
                                                       No, umm's an idiot for thinking you can make the govt vanish - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:00:24
                                                            ummm doesn't think you can make the gvmt vanish - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:03:35
                                                                 The only person misrepresenting here is you 90. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:13:50
                                                                      ...and for the 33rd time, I'm also not "no gvmt ever" but - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:19:47
                                                                      So it's futile of ummmm, but not futile of you to whine - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:18:38
                                                                           learn the difference between reality, and theory. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/25 19:27:25
                                                                                Don't you want entitlements gone? So when will you learn - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:28:32
                                                                 Did ummm break his hands, or are you his secretary? nm - hokie VT - 5/25 19:13:01
                                                                      another post you didn't read i guess - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:21:04
                                                                           I read it, i even understood it. You were speaking for him - hokie VT - 5/25 19:45:18
                                                                                false, check your time stamps. subtract the - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 20:05:16
                                                                                     I stand corrected. Apologies. nm - hokie VT - 5/25 20:22:24
                                                       Is that what rita said? And i didn't call umm an idiot. nm - hokie VT - 5/25 18:54:08
                                                            well, he's no lefty and you said lefty or idiot so I did the - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:59:33
                                                                 Wow, you're smart. You know all about what people think, - hokie VT - 5/25 19:03:02
                                                                      ummmm is an extremely conservative guy in terms of - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 19:08:12
                                                                           Anyone who wants ZERO government assistance for anyone - hokie VT - 5/25 19:31:24
                                                                                Americans helping Americans.. charity not theft.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 5/25 20:03:33
                                                                                     bingo! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 20:07:07
                         As do many - redngray MU - 5/25 18:33:25
                              A lot of people support food stamps. - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:34:40
                                   Wow - redngray MU - 5/25 18:37:15
                                        you appealed to majority to support your position (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/25 18:45:19
                                        Just highlighting your logical fallacy - ummmm MU - 5/25 18:39:04




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