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RE: This is a BAD look for kU

Posted on: April 11, 2018 at 12:16:39 CT
Phoggy08 KU
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You're cute. And apparently lazy as you didn't even bother to read the superseding indictment.

The superseding indictment — which names multiple other NCAA Division I schools — expands the scope of previously filed wire fraud conspiracy allegations against Jim Gatto and two associates, Merl Code and Christian Dawkins, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York announced on Tuesday.

In short, a parent of one of the KU athletes received at least $90,000 from Gatto’s global athletic apparel company in exchange for signing with KU, the indictment alleges.

The guardian of the second KU athlete received enough money from Gatto’s company to convince him to get “out from under” an illicit payment deal already set up with a rival apparel company to sign with one of the other company’s sponsored schools. That athlete then committed to KU, the indictment says.

The indictment does not accuse KU of wrongdoing. The parent and guardian are described as “scheme participants” but are not charged with crimes in the indictment.

The indictment does not allege that any KU coaches were involved.

If KU was involved, specifically their coaches, the University, etc, this would not be a superceding indictment, that would result in all new charges in a separate indictment.

From the indictment and why KU made the statement of being a "victim":

"43. The payments described herein were designed to be concealed, including from the NCAA and officials at the University of Kansas, in order for the scheme to succeed and for the student-athletes to receive athletic scholarships from the University of Kansas. In particular, and as a part of the scheme, scheme participants, including, among others, James Gatto, a/k/a "Jim," the defendant, CC-3, Parent-3, and Guardian-1, made intended to make, or caused or intended to cause others to make false certifications to the University of Kansas and the NCAA about the existence of the payments and the known violations of NCAA rules."

So, at this time the University can claim to be a victim. Now could this turn into the coaches knowing or being willing participants? Yes. But those odds seem slim.

Reasoning is as such: If KU's coaches knew and were involved, there is no way that we would have sat Preston or played Silvio (both players are the ones believed to be the ones whose parents/guardians were paid). Especially since Silvio came on board after the FBI announced they were investigating Addidas.

So, unless the FBI makes new charges, or releases new information stating otherwise, KU IS a victim in this.

If I had to make a guess, I'd say that your smile "since 4:30 yesterday" won't last long. KU, as of today, is not considered to be complicit. No stripping of banners or wins, firing of coaches, etc. We're still you're daddy, have "scoreboard" over MU, and will always have a history that only a few other bluebloods can match.

Edited by Phoggy08 at 12:18:53 on 04/11/18
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This is a BAD look for kU - TheNEWRemoteMan STL - 4/11 11:31:08
     will this impact the Helms Championships? That is - 90Tiger MU - 4/11 12:40:22
          U mean Helms Titles retroactively awarded...lol - Beakerbasher KC - 4/11 13:22:32
     RE: This is a BAD look for kU - Phoggy08 KU - 4/11 12:16:39
          Your last paragraph is a joke right? - Henry Robinson Clay, Jr. MU - 4/11 12:27:27
               RE: Your last paragraph is a joke right? - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:30:44
                    RE: Your last paragraph is a joke right? - Big Ray 2 USA - 4/11 12:39:15
                         Condolences on being stuck in the Big 12. LOL (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:42:24
                              RE: Condolences on being stuck in the Big 12. LOL (nm) - Big Ray 2 USA - 4/11 16:46:27
          Agree through plausible deniability no NCAA violation for ku - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:21:48
               RE: Agree through plausible deniability no NCAA violation for ku - Phoggy08 KU - 4/11 12:26:45
                    I was talking about applying NCAA rules - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:29:36
                         Who are the ineligible players?(nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 12:30:48
                              DeSouza, Jackson, Arthur, Rush, Selby, Cliff something - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:32:47
                                   ok, first off - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 12:35:58
                                        This is how Arthur's situation was "cleared" up. - alwaysright MU - 4/11 13:44:20
                                        No offense, how in the hell can you be pretty sure people - kmawv8 MU - 4/11 12:59:57
                                             No offense taken - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 13:08:08
                                                  I don't know who Marcus Garrett is, but doesn't this - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 13:19:07
                                                       RE: I don't know who Marcus Garrett is, but doesn't this - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/11 14:30:12
                                                            Yeah, I realize the error of my ways on this. (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 15:44:20
                                                       uh oh. - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 13:25:50
                                                            Well at least you will always have the memories (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 13:31:29
                                                  How lucky are you guys that Preston wrecked that car?(nm) - Mormad MU - 4/11 13:08:56
                                                       RE: How lucky are you guys that Preston wrecked that car?(nm) - Big Ray 2 USA - 4/11 16:38:37
                                                       Extremely - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/11 13:12:16
                                        RE: ok, first off - Phoggy08 KU - 4/11 12:47:55
                                        Ok, I thought you were asking which players were known to - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:38:54
     this is the same thing that occurred with Darrell Arthur - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 11:59:03
     I just don't really care - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/11 11:40:58
          Players go to ku for 1 of 4 reasons - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:13:13
               Grant, Pump Bros, Morningstar via tickets, Adidas... - GapDaddy MU - 4/11 12:32:30
          and even if they do, it doesn't really matter. everyone - ajpe53 MU - 4/11 11:44:12
               Right, the WORST thing which could come from this - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/11 11:46:51
                    Losing scholarships and having real oversight - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/11 11:47:54
                         Sure, but that's not happening(nm) - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/11 11:48:25
               Eliminating a few scholarships would be sweet (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/11 11:45:56
                    yep(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 4/11 11:52:28
     NCAA VP of Enforcement is a KU Law grad and - *M* KC - 4/11 11:40:38
          You might be surprised who around here - eatatjoes MU - 4/11 12:01:00
     I am skeptical that the NCAA will drop the hammer like they - TheWildcat STL - 4/11 11:33:16
          I'd settle for them having to vacate the 08 title - Eggs MU - 4/11 11:45:54
          nothing will happen ... - tmcats KSU - 4/11 11:37:40
               Remember when they put the women's team on self- - alwaysright MU - 4/11 11:38:49
          If they dropped the hammer like they should - TheNEWRemoteMan STL - 4/11 11:34:23
               ku fans claim that in 1988 all they did was buy - alwaysright MU - 4/11 11:37:57
                    In ku's 1988 probation - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:01:26
                         Was that before, during or after they brought in the bastion - Mormad MU - 4/11 12:57:13
                              Before Lew. Decades earlier. And 1 year before - FIJItiger MU - 4/11 12:58:34
                    Dirtiest program in all of college sports - TheNEWRemoteMan STL - 4/11 11:40:39




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