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we have state schools precisely because we have allowed

Posted on: January 3, 2018 at 11:52:30 CT
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government to expand its responsibility beyond simply protecting our actual rights and now it is empowered to provide / supply non-rights which are actually entitlements -
education
housing
food or money to buy it
healthcare
etc.

The "Natural rights" crowd (other than pickle, an anarchist) beleives the role of gvmt was intended and should be limited to protecting our actual rights, not to extract capital and provide things to citizens they have no right to but are now "guaranteed" by gvmt to get.

If you're a conservative, you shouldn't have an issue with this, but you get caught up in the pickle/anarchy/masturbation hysteria I guess.
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Because nobody could answer why 'Murica is great, masturbati - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:18:19
     pickle started a thread to call out hokie, I called out pick - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:00:29
          No. You made up a quote and attributed it to me. - pickle MU - 1/3 12:15:40
               The quote marks were intended to show your beliefs... - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:25:04
                    the quote marks were an intentional lie, Jeff (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 13:44:45
                         I already told you that they were not, and you are asserting - JeffB MU - 1/3 13:56:01
                    You lied, Jeff. Admit it (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 12:34:59
                         No, I did not lie pickle. You are in your typical cowardly - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:40:12
                              You deliberately made up something I never said - pickle MU - 1/3 12:43:53
                                   No, pickle, lying is deliberately trying to deceive people. - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:51:02
                                        You're a pathetic little liar, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 12:58:07
                                             No pickle, you are the dishonest one as you have repeatedly - JeffB MU - 1/3 13:04:05
          you're a liar and you're dumb, Jeff. Sorry, but it's just a - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:01:17
               Then why do you refuse to answer the question à la - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:04:55
     I think its a way of.acknowledging that topic - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:27:35
     It's also a way to show the ugly flaws, beliefs of pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 11:22:48
          Natural rights don't cause problems - pickle MU - 1/3 11:47:31
               Do you still believe what you said here in re: the question - JeffB MU - 1/3 12:09:59
          Well, seems you whine about the "right to healthcare" and - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:31:03
               I wonder if RHAYWORTH would consider such government - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:31:49
          What are the horrendous problems caused by natural - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:27:24
               sigh. child rights, animal rights. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 11:48:32
                    None of your wildly imagined scenarios were caused by - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:52:32
                         you still miss the entire point. Deliberately. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 12:08:23
                              Please drop the straw man - pickle MU - 1/3 12:23:05
                                   Lol, I have, and that's why your upset. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 12:28:02
                                        I'm not upset, RHAY. "Utopia" is a straw man - pickle MU - 1/3 12:36:17
                              RE: you still miss the entire point. Deliberately. - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:12:43
                              "society that has little or no ability to stop them"? - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:11:50
                                   Yeah, but - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:14:53
               The flaw is that govt was.created to regulate those - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:30:21
                    That doesn't even address the question (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 11:50:02
                    That doesn't answer my question. - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:31:06
                         But it does - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:37:47
                              It doesn't. Go back and reread the question (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 11:50:30
                              no lou, you're talking about anarchy v. people who think - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:43:50
                                   Wut? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:01:25
                                        RE: Wut? - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:03:55
                                             No, you went off the tracks. - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:09:07
                                                  no lou. do you think I'm an anarchist? why can't gvmt - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:12:27
                                                       No, I don't think you are an anarchist, as you have stated - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:16:02
                                                            great, we agree (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:17:21
                              No, that doesn't answer my question. - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:42:00
                                   This is why you guys have are not taken seriously - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:44:17
                                        This isn't a high school debate. - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:46:36
                                             Apologies, lost cell. I answered the question as directly - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:59:06
                                                  No, the question was not directly answered. - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:11:40
                                                  so why do you mock natural rights? If gvmt was limited - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:03:18
                                                       Where? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:13:00
                                                            Wow. "Freedom must be ceded" - pickle MU - 1/3 12:21:18
                                                            "some freedom must be ceded"? why? why can't gvmt - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:16:15
                                                            RE: Where? - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:15:46
                                                                 it's the men you cede the freedom to who are the - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:20:28
                                                                      They're taking 1/3 of our annual income to make sure - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:21:28
                                                                 What is your strategy of defending free, peaceful people - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:17:19
                                                                      What's your strategy for building your home appliances? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:23:57
                                                                      Natural rights and free markets - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:20:47
                                                                           How he can't see the flaw in his reasoning is incredible - pickle MU - 1/3 12:26:09
                                                                                RE: How he can't see the flaw in his reasoning is incredible - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:27:55
                                                                                     Sadly, that's a perfect encapsulation in one word (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 12:37:18
                                                                      the people defending you are the sociopaths, lou. again, - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:19:41
          Bingo! - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/3 11:24:00
               RE: Bingo! - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:28:17
                    The problems are caused by your pickles and umms zealous - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/3 11:31:04
                         what are the problems caused by natural rights? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:31:42
                              Are you ok witb State.Schools.teaching naturL rights? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 11:42:00
                                   we have state schools precisely because we have allowed - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:52:30
                                        You didn't answer the very simple question - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:03:11
                                             I answered it here: - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:13:31
                                        I just don't understand why this is so controversial - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:57:53
                                   I don't want state schools at all, but if we're going to hav - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 11:48:07
                                   That would be a step in the right direction toward - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:42:34
                                        Ok, so incremental steps toward greater liberty are ok? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/3 12:05:07
                                             of course (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 12:22:59
                                             Always. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 12:08:48




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