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is citizenship a natural right?

Posted on: November 30, 2017 at 10:19:40 CT

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if natural rights come from the mind of men like some here argue so does the concept of citizenship. What makes one illegitimate and the other legitimate?

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is citizenship a natural right? - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 11/30 10:19:40

No, citizenship is not a natural right. It is illegitimate - pickle MU

- 11/30 10:35:54

THAT was one pickle Dog Whistle(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 11/30 11:34:15

WTH is "self ownership" - mu7176grad MU - 11/30 11:24:22

It's pretty self-evident - pickle MU

- 11/30 11:46:53

no. it's a positive right - something given/granted/bestowed - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:25:53

There are no such things as "natural rights" - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 11/30 10:25:00

Chimps don’t have natural rights? - Ferg STL - 11/30 10:30:48

As are all species (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 11:01:35

No. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 11:00:01

Why? - Ferg STL - 11/30 11:09:46

Try answering these questions too: - ummmm MU - 11/30 11:13:15

Because chimps don't have the ability to reason and express - ummmm MU - 11/30 11:11:40

Is that what your religion tells you? - Ferg STL - 11/30 11:20:54

My religion has nothing to do with it. - ummmm MU - 11/30 11:29:13

All animals are quite evolved for that matter. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 11:00:14

The last couple days, there have been threads about how - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:30:29

You guys get all defensive when someone questions your - Ferg STL - 11/30 10:36:00

No, Ferg. They're simple concepts - pickle MU

- 11/30 10:41:21

well, I think you kooks are a brainwashed idiots - Ferg STL - 11/30 10:46:42

I didn't say you did - pickle MU

- 11/30 10:56:36

ain't that the truth - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 11/30 10:38:40

They have their own language - Ferg STL - 11/30 10:41:59

maybe you can help rags out, he's tongue-tied - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:50:02

You’re a weirdo - Ferg STL - 11/30 10:51:57

...and nice job of joining Rags in dodging the post in - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:54:40

Yeah, substantive discussion was halted - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:57:35

I take that as a compliment, thanks (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:53:26

Don't worry Ferg, I still think you're normal. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:53:01

Explaining the position for the 145th time isn't being defen - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:38:01

Lol, no we don't. - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:37:05

willful ignorance is a terrific thing (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:31:32

oh my(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 11/30 10:33:39

natural rights implies the precise opposite of being - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:27:47

you do not have a right to life liberty or property - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 11/30 10:32:56

Those are natural rights of every individual (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 10:37:15

False(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 11/30 10:38:09

It can pretty much be summed up by Descartes famous words - pickle MU

- 11/30 10:42:51

RE: False(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:39:42

Does anyone have a superior right to your life over you? - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:36:11

So you think murder, kidnapping and theft should not - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:35:07

Not even remotely. - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:22:59