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Posted on: September 5, 2017 at 10:16:13 CT
Salty Dog MU
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He wasn't a refugee, he was illegally taken out of Cuba by his mother who endangered his life, he had wet feet and his father wanted him back in Cuba.
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IYO, Was Elian Gonzalez kidnapped at gunpoint and forced - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:39:29
     yes(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 9/5 12:26:28
     yes(nm) - El-ahrairah KC - 9/5 10:10:01
     No, he was kidnapped by his mother and brought to the US... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 09:57:11
          That wasn't the question (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:58:36
               His question was falsely framed (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:00:32
                    No it wasn't (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 10:03:50
                         Yes, it was...Furthermore, Elian never reached dry land... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:07:55
                              Lol of course he did - pickle MU - 9/5 11:44:14
                                   He was rescued at sea... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 12:04:01
          But the law at the time granted political asylum to Cuban - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:58:23
               You are incorrect... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:16:13
                    Too bad we cant check the archives of your stance - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:17:24
                         You absolutely can check the archives...It's called Google - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:19:03
                              He'd have to know which handle to google - tigerdb MU - 9/5 11:36:15
                                   WTF are you talking about? - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 12:05:11
               are you saying a child sought political asylum?? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:14:04
                    His mother was and tragically drowned. He was then - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:15:52
                         His mother illegally took him out of Cuba from his father... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:17:52
                              So you are also a big advocate of immoral Cuban laws? lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:19:14
                                   you're supporting the mother taking him away from his - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:23:11
                                        from an oppressive regime and possibly an oppressive - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:25:21
                                             His mother put the child in imminent danger... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:28:27
                                                  but hey, it was from an evil regime! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:30:25
                                             lol, of course, "possibly". (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:25:45
                                   Parental rights are immoral? - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:20:38
               He wasn't a refugee, he was a kidnap victim (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:00:02
     Not opinion, but fact. Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:49:50
     Clearly, he was. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/5 09:44:42
          I agree. I am not at all shocked by the hypocrisy by the - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:47:13
               I am not at all surprised by your ignernce and idiocy... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:10:55
               So are you adopting a libertarian philosophy or just on - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:48:15
                    please pay more attention to my posts and positions - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:20
                         Yes then he would see what a hypocrite you are - JG A - 9/5 09:58:21
                         I'm not remotely emotional. It's you who just said you're - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:54:25
                              It seems as if his bigotry and/or partisanship is his - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:56:15
                                   So you support open borders, correct? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:00:11
                                        yes, once the welfare state is abolished(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:00:33
                                             it isn't abolished, so can we stick to present times and rea - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:02:26
                                                  I am not in favor of open borders in the current climate.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:03:31
                                                       So you support immigration law, which is based on ability - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:13:22
                                                            I think the current law needs to be changed to a - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:14:33
                                                                 Like what, Mr. libertarian non-hypocrite? Be specific as - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:21:46
                                                                      I dont know. Do you have any suggestions?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:24:11
                                                                           You're the high and mighty Mr. Moralist applying your - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:26:23
                                                                                I am? you seem very emotional today(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:29:44
                                                                                     here is "emotional" - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 11:33:47
                                                                                     you do a lot of "seeming" here. it's called projection, he - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:33:30
                                                                                          Toro is a bigot and you get really emotional(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:35:24
                                                                                               And you're an idiot... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:46:52
                                                                                               I'm not emotional at all. Toro is most assuredly a - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:41:38
                                                                                                    yes you are(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:43:30
                                   Note: You don't know what my policy stance on this topic - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:59:55
                                   I agree. He is driven by it (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:58:17
     No - Silas MU - 9/5 09:44:17
          So, IYO, he was taken back to Cuba voluntarily?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:45:37
               He had wet feet and his father wanted him back in Cuba... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:12:00
               RE: So, IYO, he was taken back to Cuba voluntarily?(nm) - Silas MU - 9/5 10:00:06
     Is this a rhetorical question? you tell us and make your po - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:40:10
          Why not answer the question? - pickle MU - 9/5 09:51:47
               because hef is a hypocrite and without principle and that - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 12:28:04
          Dont be afraid to answer the question(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:42:27
               I'm not and ummmm already did. Are you suddenly - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:46:32
                    Are you and ummmm the same person? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:52:13
                         My response implies he answered it how I would, don't - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:20:38
                         No, you and I are. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/5 09:58:44
                              Oh, right (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 10:04:22
                    suddenly? no. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:47:45
                         I just want to know if you (unhypocritically) plan to apply - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:49:18
                              I have already on many issues. I am not an absolutist - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:50:20
                                   So you're like JG or GAT - you want to pick and choose - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:51:26
                                        LOL you are one stupid phuck - JG A - 9/5 10:07:37
                                             oh, look - JG just proved he has a mental illness - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:24:21
                                                  derpity derp derp - JG A - 9/5 10:38:18
                                        Xactly, The Law applies to everyone or no one - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 09:53:38
                                             So, you were all in favor of Gonzalez being taken at - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:54:31
                                                  why are you avoiding the principle here? Do you think the - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:58:50
                                                       I beleive in open borders once the welfare state is - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:59:28
                                                            Hint: The welfare state ISN'T abolished. So you support - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:01:52
                                                                 I think forcibly deporting people to a country that they - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:06:21
                                                                      ok rask, thanks, it's important you feel good (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:42:52
                                                  Actually at the time i was not but i was seeing it thru the - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 09:56:19
                                                       so partisanship. gotcha(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:57:16
                                                            Nothing to do with partisanship jackass - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 10:02:04
                                                                 you just admitted that it was. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:04:48
                                        no(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:57
                                   Which makes you a hypocrite (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:50:48
                                        You do realize there was a different policy re: Cuba, right? - pickle MU - 9/5 09:54:16
                                             possible, but not what he's stated. His whole reason - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:54:02
                                        no(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:32




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