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why are you avoiding the principle here? Do you think the

Posted on: September 5, 2017 at 09:58:50 CT
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US should drop all immigration limits and open the borders?

If not, how do you want to enforce immigration limits?

Do you think ideological alignment, security risk, ability to contribute (or willingness) should be factors in determining immigration limits?

If you don't support "open borders", how can you support ignoring immigration law? Explain this to me in a practical sense as to how your view works.
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IYO, Was Elian Gonzalez kidnapped at gunpoint and forced - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:39:29
     yes(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 9/5 12:26:28
     yes(nm) - El-ahrairah KC - 9/5 10:10:01
     No, he was kidnapped by his mother and brought to the US... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 09:57:11
          That wasn't the question (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:58:36
               His question was falsely framed (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:00:32
                    No it wasn't (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 10:03:50
                         Yes, it was...Furthermore, Elian never reached dry land... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:07:55
                              Lol of course he did - pickle MU - 9/5 11:44:14
                                   He was rescued at sea... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 12:04:01
          But the law at the time granted political asylum to Cuban - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:58:23
               You are incorrect... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:16:13
                    Too bad we cant check the archives of your stance - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:17:24
                         You absolutely can check the archives...It's called Google - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:19:03
                              He'd have to know which handle to google - tigerdb MU - 9/5 11:36:15
                                   WTF are you talking about? - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 12:05:11
               are you saying a child sought political asylum?? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:14:04
                    His mother was and tragically drowned. He was then - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:15:52
                         His mother illegally took him out of Cuba from his father... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:17:52
                              So you are also a big advocate of immoral Cuban laws? lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:19:14
                                   you're supporting the mother taking him away from his - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:23:11
                                        from an oppressive regime and possibly an oppressive - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:25:21
                                             His mother put the child in imminent danger... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:28:27
                                                  but hey, it was from an evil regime! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:30:25
                                             lol, of course, "possibly". (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:25:45
                                   Parental rights are immoral? - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:20:38
               He wasn't a refugee, he was a kidnap victim (nm) - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:00:02
     Not opinion, but fact. Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:49:50
     Clearly, he was. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/5 09:44:42
          I agree. I am not at all shocked by the hypocrisy by the - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:47:13
               I am not at all surprised by your ignernce and idiocy... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:10:55
               So are you adopting a libertarian philosophy or just on - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:48:15
                    please pay more attention to my posts and positions - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:20
                         Yes then he would see what a hypocrite you are - JG A - 9/5 09:58:21
                         I'm not remotely emotional. It's you who just said you're - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:54:25
                              It seems as if his bigotry and/or partisanship is his - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:56:15
                                   So you support open borders, correct? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:00:11
                                        yes, once the welfare state is abolished(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:00:33
                                             it isn't abolished, so can we stick to present times and rea - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:02:26
                                                  I am not in favor of open borders in the current climate.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:03:31
                                                       So you support immigration law, which is based on ability - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:13:22
                                                            I think the current law needs to be changed to a - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:14:33
                                                                 Like what, Mr. libertarian non-hypocrite? Be specific as - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:21:46
                                                                      I dont know. Do you have any suggestions?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:24:11
                                                                           You're the high and mighty Mr. Moralist applying your - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:26:23
                                                                                I am? you seem very emotional today(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:29:44
                                                                                     here is "emotional" - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 11:33:47
                                                                                     you do a lot of "seeming" here. it's called projection, he - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:33:30
                                                                                          Toro is a bigot and you get really emotional(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:35:24
                                                                                               And you're an idiot... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:46:52
                                                                                               I'm not emotional at all. Toro is most assuredly a - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:41:38
                                                                                                    yes you are(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:43:30
                                   Note: You don't know what my policy stance on this topic - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:59:55
                                   I agree. He is driven by it (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:58:17
     No - Silas MU - 9/5 09:44:17
          So, IYO, he was taken back to Cuba voluntarily?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:45:37
               He had wet feet and his father wanted him back in Cuba... - Salty Dog MU - 9/5 10:12:00
               RE: So, IYO, he was taken back to Cuba voluntarily?(nm) - Silas MU - 9/5 10:00:06
     Is this a rhetorical question? you tell us and make your po - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:40:10
          Why not answer the question? - pickle MU - 9/5 09:51:47
               because hef is a hypocrite and without principle and that - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 12:28:04
          Dont be afraid to answer the question(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:42:27
               I'm not and ummmm already did. Are you suddenly - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:46:32
                    Are you and ummmm the same person? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 09:52:13
                         My response implies he answered it how I would, don't - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:20:38
                         No, you and I are. (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/5 09:58:44
                              Oh, right (nm) - pickle MU - 9/5 10:04:22
                    suddenly? no. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:47:45
                         I just want to know if you (unhypocritically) plan to apply - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:49:18
                              I have already on many issues. I am not an absolutist - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:50:20
                                   So you're like JG or GAT - you want to pick and choose - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:51:26
                                        LOL you are one stupid phuck - JG A - 9/5 10:07:37
                                             oh, look - JG just proved he has a mental illness - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:24:21
                                                  derpity derp derp - JG A - 9/5 10:38:18
                                        Xactly, The Law applies to everyone or no one - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 09:53:38
                                             So, you were all in favor of Gonzalez being taken at - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:54:31
                                                  why are you avoiding the principle here? Do you think the - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:58:50
                                                       I beleive in open borders once the welfare state is - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:59:28
                                                            Hint: The welfare state ISN'T abolished. So you support - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:01:52
                                                                 I think forcibly deporting people to a country that they - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:06:21
                                                                      ok rask, thanks, it's important you feel good (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:42:52
                                                  Actually at the time i was not but i was seeing it thru the - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 09:56:19
                                                       so partisanship. gotcha(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:57:16
                                                            Nothing to do with partisanship jackass - Uncle Fester USMC - 9/5 10:02:04
                                                                 you just admitted that it was. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 10:04:48
                                        no(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:57
                                   Which makes you a hypocrite (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 09:50:48
                                        You do realize there was a different policy re: Cuba, right? - pickle MU - 9/5 09:54:16
                                             possible, but not what he's stated. His whole reason - 90Tiger MU - 9/5 10:54:02
                                        no(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/5 09:51:32




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