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Yeah, I don't get how this would change the opinion of Haith

Posted on: May 11, 2017 at 10:08:23 CT
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But some people need to turn every discussion into an argument about Haith vs. Kim Anderson. Can't we just move on. I don't get how that situation would shape any sort of narrative since most of us aren't overly dialed into the APR although having a good understanding of when guys transferred and who recruited said transfers.

Edited by TheLegend at 10:08:49 on 05/11/17
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APR question: i saw in an article that there are levels - ajpe53 MU - 5/11 09:26:21
     You got your high level, your medium level and - alstl MU - 5/11 15:35:55
     Oriaki transferred to MU because of APR issues - UMR85 MU - 5/11 13:35:07
     All you need to know is that the current players do not - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 12:44:44
          You think Kemp ends up at a D1 program next year? - tigerdb MU - 5/11 13:11:28
               1. What I think about that is not relevant. 2.What you think - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:50:21
                    That's a lot more accurate than your original post - tigerdb MU - 5/11 14:05:33
                         It is no more accurate. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 14:36:43
          APR doesn't measure character. At all (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:45:47
               And nobody, but apparently you, suggested it did. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:39:35
                    RE: And nobody, but apparently you, suggested it did. - jrizzle MU - 5/11 14:20:27
                         And your point is? - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 14:34:34
                    It takes a special ability to - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:46:12
                         And you are expert at that inability. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:48:12
               Getting an education is a component to one's character. - tiger4real MU - 5/11 13:32:07
                    APR doesn't measure education either - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:36:14
                         So why did you say something about it measuring character - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:41:43
                              RE: So why did you say something about it measuring character - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:43:09
                         Yes it does. - tiger4real MU - 5/11 13:39:24
                              Nope - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:41:50
                                   No. It tracks the progress of an athlete, as part of the - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:47:01
                                   Thank you for conceding. - tiger4real MU - 5/11 13:45:47
                                        Nope. - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:47:57
                                             He must have had the wrong tutor, right? - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:53:28
                                                  Apologies, I can't follow your tangents - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:54:38
                                                       I made a joke about Yolanda FIJI. Way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:58:10
                                                       Yes, logic is a weak point for you. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:56:26
                                             He didn't fail. And he had credits to take with him. - tiger4real MU - 5/11 13:49:36
                                                  Eligibility and retention. Those are the only 2 - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:52:26
                                                       I already explained that your misunderstanding is just that. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 13:55:39
                                                       and neither of those are possible without an Education.nm - tiger4real MU - 5/11 13:54:51
     We had Kim Anderson as our coach. that is punishment enough(nm) - NWMizzouFan MU - 5/11 11:33:14
     According to this, the practice time penalties appear to - tgr MU - 5/11 09:34:03
          So there's a lot of unnecessary fretting by Mizzou fans - hou4mu MU - 5/11 10:57:43
     RE: APR question: i saw in an article that there are levels - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:30:06
          RE: APR question: i saw in an article that there are levels - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 12:09:52
               I know, you seem very mis-informed on the topic (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:11:40
          Did Sterk say Kumar's allegations didn't impact basketball? - alstl MU - 5/11 10:40:58
               kumar is holding on to her story for a long ass time(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 5/11 10:43:00
                    Her motives are suspicious but I don't doubt she was doing - alstl MU - 5/11 10:48:06
                         RE: Her motives are suspicious but I don't doubt she was doing - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 12:13:16
                              Too late - she has already been interviewed - the problem - alstl MU - 5/11 13:30:21
                              She didn't shut up, she already talked - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:18:40
                                   Right. And didn't she already meet with the NCAA? (nm) - TheLegend MU - 5/11 13:36:10
                                        RE: Right. And didn't she already meet with the NCAA? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:36:52
                                   RE: She didn't shut up, she already talked - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 12:46:14
                                        Really? You seem pretty up to speed on the topic - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:50:08
                                             RE: Really? You seem pretty up to speed on the topic - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 12:56:51
                                                  Change your opinion? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:59:02
                                                       RE: Change your opinion? (nm) - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 13:09:56
                                                            No, talking about this opinion: - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:17:45
                                                                 RE: No, talking about this opinion: - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 13:21:34
                                                                      Man, thought we were so close to a breakthrough there(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:28:57
                                                                           RE: Man, thought we were so close to a breakthrough there(nm) - Big Ray 2 USA - 5/11 14:22:08
                                        She's already talked to CBS Sports - February - doughboy MU - 5/11 12:48:03
                         probably true. she acts like a victim though when she was - ajpe53 MU - 5/11 10:50:12
                              They are probably going to drag this out for as long as - Rabbit Test MU - 5/11 10:52:39
          rare video of fiji explaining APR - dont remember MU - 5/11 10:09:38
          From my understanding our worst year which was Haith's - TheWildcat STL - 5/11 09:31:42
               Still one more year with it unfortunately (nm) - TheLegend MU - 5/11 10:01:32
               Incorrect - Mormad MU - 5/11 09:55:27
                    Yes, you are. - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/11 12:42:01
                         No, I'm not - Mormad MU - 5/11 13:44:35
                              assuing your numbers are correct, you are both basically - alwaysright MU - 5/11 18:14:30
                         who do you believe was a malcontent/criminal? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:44:51
                              Torren Jones. DeAngelo Allen. Jakeenan Gant. - haeffb MU - 5/11 16:10:25
               Correct, Haith's last season of zero wins was also - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 09:41:21
                    There were APR concerns when Kim arrived, the APR was even - tigerdb MU - 5/11 11:03:58
                         Our multiyear score when Kim arrived was 979 - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 11:12:55
                         simply not true, remember no Kim=no Coach Martin=no MPJr(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 11:04:48
                    So will you admit that the 2016 score is 100% on Anderson - tgr MU - 5/11 10:37:51
                         Kim's entire tenure was spent cleaning up the Haith craterin - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 10:52:40
                              Kim should have spent his career recruiting talent & winning - tigerdb MU - 5/11 11:57:12
                                   he definitely exceeded expectations relative to what he - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 12:13:33
                                        I really hope that you don't believe 1/10th of the bat**** - tigerdb MU - 5/11 12:38:39
                                        Wrong, He drastically underperformed in every way - JimD MU - 5/11 12:30:53
                                             took a zero win team with a post season ban - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 13:30:45
                                                  Timelines may not be your strong suit (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:32:14
                                             Exceeding expectations is reletive - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:35:00
                              LOL (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/11 11:49:32
                              Can you link to a few of these "expert predictions" that MU - JoplinTiger07 MU - 5/11 11:10:26
                                   RE: Can you link to a few of these "expert predictions" that MU - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/11 11:15:49
                                        i.e. you can't, because there aren't any. NM - JoplinTiger07 MU - 5/11 13:46:58
                                        Here are the only results I found of people predicting - tgr MU - 5/11 11:33:16
                                             I think we could have been a high seed next year - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:09:57
                                                  I can believe 14-seed, maybe, but 13-seed is stretching... - JoplinTiger07 MU - 5/11 13:48:14
                    Lack of wins does not impact APR - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:42:36
               Agree, many people similarly don't understand - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:35:31
                    And how would that change opinions of Haith? (nm) - TheLegend MU - 5/11 10:04:34
                         Many MU fans mistakenly believe Haith left - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 11:39:02
                              So Mizzou delaying the APR hits changes the narrative how? - TheLegend MU - 5/11 12:56:53
                                   I don't follow, they didn't delay any APR hits(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:57:57
                                        My bad, I thought you said we delayed some sort of APR hit - TheLegend MU - 5/11 13:04:57
                                             No. We created a narrative that the 851 score is - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:08:43
                                                  Who cares? I think most know who recruited various kids (nm) - TheLegend MU - 5/11 13:10:20
                                                       Me I guess. MU put itself on probation and vacated - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:15:13
                                                            I guess I can see that especially if you are a fan of Haith - TheLegend MU - 5/11 13:40:08
                                                                 Fair enough. I'm just a big fan of MU bb. Haith used to - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 13:44:14
                    We actually need 963 next year - Mormad MU - 5/11 10:00:24
                         Its not evenly weighted. If you do that to our scores - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 10:01:50
                              So you're saying you do a "universal" calculation - Mormad MU - 5/11 10:06:59
                                   Agreed (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 11:00:24
                    Which 3 guys are you talking about? (nm) - hou4mu MU - 5/11 09:40:25
                         Rector, Jones, Beidschied (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:40:39
                              Rector and Jones have to be in 2013-14 - hou4mu MU - 5/11 09:49:45
                                   right, its simply a way of controlling the narrative - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 10:00:50
                                        RE: right, its simply a way of controlling the narrative - bornoncampus MU - 5/11 11:01:19
                                        Agreed, you're trying to control the narrative(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/11 10:26:31
                                        Let's say Jaocby Kemp leaves Mizzou - hou4mu MU - 5/11 10:17:00
                                             Agreed. That hypothetical hit to APR would be from Cuonzo's - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:02:49
                                                  No one cares who's tenure it happened during - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/11 12:50:01
                                                       So who hit the iceberg vs. who jumped ship before impact? - TheLegend MU - 5/11 12:58:32
                                                            Lol, yeah. "The boat did not sink while the captain was - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/11 13:09:47
                                                  Let me get this straight - hou4mu MU - 5/11 12:37:34
                                                       Yes. He is currently earning max APR points - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:40:24
                                                            I hope you have more mainstream views on responsibility - hou4mu MU - 5/11 12:50:54
                                                                 They are not currently impacting an APR calculation (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 12:53:15
                                             And that's why he should just stfu or go away. This place - Uncle John MU - 5/11 10:25:15
                                                  There isn't a chance in hell of that happening - hou4mu MU - 5/11 10:34:24
                                                       Cutting fiji out would be an upgrade for Tigerboard. - bornoncampus MU - 5/11 10:47:05
                                                            That isn't very nice, sorry my opinions frustrate you(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 11:22:41
                                        Haith recruited them - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:07:12
                                        And this is your attempt to control the narrative in the - Mormad MU - 5/11 10:04:26
                                             Agree, I'm doing my best. Would like for that to be more - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 10:58:19
                                                  Gee, I wonder why you're not getting anywhere (nm) - hou4mu MU - 5/11 11:11:42
                                                       You may notice many of the more insightful readers - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 11:15:29
                                                            Thanks for the report from Fantasy Island (nm) - hou4mu MU - 5/11 11:24:25
                                             Yeah, I don't get how this would change the opinion of Haith - TheLegend MU - 5/11 10:08:23
                                                  Neither were very good coaches at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 10:12:51
                                        So in your mind, the player's that haith recruited but left - ajpe53 MU - 5/11 10:03:19
                                             Its not about fault. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 10:57:30
                                                  Yeah, it'd be silly to talk about whose fault it is...(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/11 13:11:21
                    wrong again(nm) - Uncle John MU - 5/11 09:39:38
                         Thanks for the clarification (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:40:53
                    Not according to Gabe. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 5/11 09:37:19
                         Well its not really up for debate - FIJItiger MU - 5/11 09:38:19
               Feej won't like that, Haif is his boy(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/11 09:33:20
     4 year average gas to be above 930 - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/11 09:28:43




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