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you are correct and imminent works on a scale

Posted on: February 1, 2017 at 11:28:56 CT
Ragnar Danneskjold MU
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for instance an individual pointing a gun at another individual is imminent.

also one country amassing an invading army on another country's border is also imminent.

I do not have to wait to initiate force in either scenario.
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No one has a right to use/initiate force - pickle MU - 2/1 10:40:28
     does that stop them? and what happens when someone does?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/1 11:21:37
          RE: does that stop them? and what happens when someone does?(nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:53:17
               no, that's what happened, what happens to the infirnger?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/1 12:42:22
                    I just told you that's unanswerable - pickle MU - 2/1 12:58:39
                         why is it unanswerable? - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/1 13:10:20
                              "A person is infringed on. What happens?" - pickle MU - 2/1 13:51:22
          Fear of being arrested...oh, wait. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 11:30:41
     you have a right to use force to prevent someone - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:13:26
          You are correct - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:23:33
               you are correct and imminent works on a scale - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:28:56
                    Your second example - pickle MU - 2/1 11:50:16
                         incorrect, the reasonable conclusion can be drawn that - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:51:47
                              If you really wanted to go with reasonable conclusions - pickle MU - 2/1 11:57:28
                    RE: you are correct and imminent works on a scale - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:35:04
                         incorrect and illogical - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:38:45
                              And by the way, let's make one thing clear - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:44:02
                                   irrelevant to the argument - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:47:08
                                        It's pretty relevant to your cavalier attitude - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:55:33
                                             incorrect, it is not my "attitude" it is a factual statement - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:59:25
                                             he isn't being cavalier - FootballRefugee MU - 2/1 11:57:42
                              No, you cannot. In that scenario, you are the aggressor. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:42:44
                                   Philosophy is a funny thing, ummmm. Be careful. If you - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 12:03:00
                                   boy, you're dumb as a bag of hammers. - FootballRefugee MU - 2/1 11:45:42
                                   incorrect, I do not have to wait for force to be used - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:44:46
                                        You have to wait until force is imminent. - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:54:57
                                             when is a nuclear weapon with long-range capabilities - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 12:08:42
                    You certainly do if it's not your country. (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/1 11:33:11
                         incorrect, a country can enter into voluntary agreements to - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 11:39:47
                              It is impossible for gvmt to do so - pickle MU - 2/1 11:55:30
                         ^^^Oops. Well, that was his most lucid post of all time - Evenflow MU - 2/1 11:34:26
          Yes, though that is not an initiation of force - pickle MU - 2/1 11:22:34
     RE: No one has a right to use force - MOCO SON MU - 2/1 11:04:59
          I didn't speak of any "excluded groups" (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:06:19
               RE: I didn't speak of any "excluded groups" (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 2/1 11:07:13
                    Have a good day, DOC (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 11:11:38
                         RE: Have a good day, DOC (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 2/1 11:13:37
     Wrong board (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 2/1 11:03:02
     So, darth vader is evil, and wrong? - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/1 10:55:08
     what about using the Force? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/1 10:46:32
          Here you go. - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 10:58:39
     Right - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 10:45:59
          That is exactly why rights exist. - ummmm MU - 2/1 10:47:16
               If such bright lines cannot acceptably be crossed - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/1 10:48:33
                    Not everyone is informed about rights, especially property - pickle MU - 2/1 10:59:32
                         You can pretty much sum up TJS and catbirdseat as follows: - ummmm MU - 2/1 11:05:39
                              Pretty much - pickle MU - 2/1 11:10:59
                    he means those lines shouldn't be crossed without - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 10:56:57
                    Because people enjoy short cuts - ummmm MU - 2/1 10:56:16
                    Except by congress and the president - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 10:51:39
                         No (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 10:59:46
                         govt always infringes on rights, every day - that - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 10:57:41
                         No. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/1 10:56:32
     Might makes right, pussy! - Emoji Man MSU - 2/1 10:43:38
     What about when people have used force?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/1 10:41:59
          What do you mean? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/1 10:57:07
          Lock them in a cage, throw away the key. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 10:44:27
               Like white slavers?(nm) - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 10:46:31
                    Like prison guards (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 10:47:41
                         Nazi Presidential appointees?(nm) - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 10:52:30
                              Like prison guards dealing with criminals. - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/1 11:16:08
                                   kkk church burners?(nm) - catbirdseat MU - 2/1 12:41:21




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