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free men with self-ownership chose to use that freedom

Posted on: January 5, 2017 at 14:08:16 CT
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to vote to join a state with the understanding that with it they must follow rules set by that others in that state.

What makes that illegitimate?
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I will never post to Tigerboard again - pickle MU - 1/5 12:19:10
     wrong planet(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 1/5 14:28:48
     Have you read or studied... - kp83 MU - 1/5 13:32:56
          Deeply flawed view of monarchy and belief that men are - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 13:48:13
          No, why? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:42:02
               Blackstone is a horrible example to use since he was firmly - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 13:59:20
     You'll just ignore the evidence, like you always do. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/5 13:22:24
          No one has ever provided evidence (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:38:03
               No evidence you'll accept. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/5 13:45:56
                    No one has ever provided evidence - pickle MU - 1/5 13:47:52
                         it's not legitimate, move on. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 14:07:18
               Could you just not post then....ever again? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/5 13:39:20
          Straw man - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 13:36:38
     It's the until then that everyone hates about you - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/5 13:18:36
     You wouldn't be able to interact with any human beings - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/5 13:00:27
          The specific definition of citizen is clear from the - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 13:19:21
               Human beings are citizens of many things - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/5 13:25:43
                    He'll step right up for the stuff that goes with being one - MUGuy2004 STL - 1/5 13:32:36
          If there were only two people on earth - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 13:03:06
               No - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/5 13:06:51
                    that's a very broad definition of citizen, which is - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 13:09:31
                         I can't help that pickle doesn't know - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/5 13:11:29
                         in pickletopics, all definitions are open for debate. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 13:10:49
                              Not really open for debate - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 13:34:08
                              Sad (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:11:55
                                   get a life (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 13:26:04
     Legitimate to whom? I would say that the State's claim of - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 1/5 12:59:34
     Go to Cuba and argue it with the Cuban Government... - Salty Dog MU - 1/5 12:42:16
     what would make it legitimate? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 12:40:36
          Given that we are all free men with self-ownership - pickle MU - 1/5 12:56:14
               free men with self-ownership chose to use that freedom - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/5 14:08:16
          Nothing. A state exists only through subjugation of people - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 12:49:54
               the "state" exists that way, huh? remove The State and you'l - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 13:23:05
                    What is greed? Can you define it for me? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:40:04
                         Excessive desire to a level that results in infringements - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 13:49:15
                              Ok. First of all, thank you for answering - pickle MU - 1/5 13:56:25
                                   "Who decides when desire is excessive' - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 14:09:11
                    Madeleine Albright dismissing the death of 1 million Iraqis - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 13:37:35
                         Governments are great killers. why do they kill? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/5 13:52:30
               So pickle is asking proof of something that can't be proven? - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 12:50:59
                    People claim we are citizens and that citizenship - pickle MU - 1/5 12:58:22
                         I know, and I am asking what kind of evidence would - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 13:00:14
                              Something that would support the State's claim (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 13:05:38
                                   But there is evidence, in the form of the 14th amendment - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 13:11:41
                                        Right in front of you, in those very words.. subjugation.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 13:14:40
                                        No, that's just another claim - pickle MU - 1/5 13:12:46
                                             So what type of information would give the state's claim - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/5 13:15:52
                                                  Depends on the claim - pickle MU - 1/5 13:49:52
     LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!!!!! - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/5 12:40:03
     Promises, promises (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 1/5 12:31:20
          Go for it (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:37:06
     RE: I will never post to Tigerboard again - MOCO SON MU - 1/5 12:29:17
     Pick up a gun and defend your position - TGR84 MU - 1/5 12:24:57
          So the state's legitimacy is that it can back itself through - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 12:36:45
          Not agreeing with you, I just like watching stupid - TGR84 MU - 1/5 12:31:24
               You just did, though - pickle MU - 1/5 12:35:44
          Sounds like you're agreeing with me (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:29:11
          What is the state's claim to legitmacy other than it says - TigerMatt STL - 1/5 12:26:20
               it isn't legitimate - now what? what's the next point and - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:29:01
                    The point is education, 90 (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:30:18
                         to what end? rask has proven that knowledge on its - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:31:22
                              Liberty. To the end of abolishing the State - pickle MU - 1/5 12:34:56
                                   I'm not put out by liberty you presumptuous arrogant dork, - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:44:26
                                        ^^^can't not read posts^^^(nm) - cnk ATL - 1/5 12:56:28
                                             better written "is compelled to read posts" (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 13:01:29
                                                  yeah, but the way I said it was to convey that I was being - cnk ATL - 1/5 13:08:17
                                                       i'm not smart enough to handle your posts (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 13:11:48
                                        Was that presumptuous? - pickle MU - 1/5 12:54:37
                                             What was presumptuous? - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 13:00:53
                                        nominated for POTY. it's early but a strong contender for - blake1771 KC - 1/5 12:48:48
               Pick up a gun and defend your position - TGR84 MU - 1/5 12:28:59
                    You realize you're making my point, right? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/5 12:31:30
     And I may never if you can/will give definitions of - GA Tiger MU - 1/5 12:21:50
     I'm not sure we're getting enough coverage on this. Can - 90Tiger MU - 1/5 12:21:07




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