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Your definition is just that... your definition. It is not

Posted on: December 27, 2016 at 17:37:28 CT
JeffB MU
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some pre-existing scientific fact that can be examined and objectively agreed upon.

Humans are animals and share traits with other animals. Individual animals share some traits with each other, but not others.

Your definitions are not shared by everyone else. I've already mentioned Nietzche, who felt that humans are in a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest world, just like all of the other animals. Might makes right... and certainly many millions agree with him.

Peter Singer, head of Princeton's bioethics department feels that some humans are actually lower on the rights totem pole than some other animals. It all has to do with sentience, and people have a right to kill someone who is disabled or very young or very sick.

Who died and made you king, such that you get to decide which animals have which rights and that (some) human beings have natural rights?

Who cares that some random collections of atoms have different "natures" than other random collections of atoms? By what authority do you get to decide which natures get which rights and which ones don't?

In reality, you are taking the laws of God written in your heart, and those that you have adapted and made your own from the Judeo Christian culture you grew up in and have rationalized them as "natural rights".

There is no non-man made objective standard for natural rights.
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The Doors were right - People are strange - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 14:58:41
     What "stand" in particular? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:08:06
          What is a right - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:22:52
               Oh, in that case - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:25:14
                    Are you opposed to a right to life? As in a right to not - JeffB MU - 12/27 15:55:05
                         Goddamn, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 15:57:20
                              More mindless blathering by the cowardly pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:19:47
                         I am not opposed to the right to life. - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:56:51
                              Your conclusion (that there is a right to life) is correct, - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:19:05
                                   My conclusion that there is a right to life has no premise - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:23:00
                                        I said your conclusion that 'There is a right to life.' is - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:35:05
                    How so? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:26:28
                         Publicly masturbating in front of a little girl - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:31:17
                              That's not even a stretch - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:37:34
                                   I hope you see my larger point though - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:38:52
                                        But there is inescapable morality in the concept of rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:41:09
                                             Natural rights exist mutually exclusive of morality - ummmm MU - 12/27 15:50:54
                                                  'Natural rights' are made up by men, and you just define - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:12:46
                                                       No. Natural rights are discovered and defined by men. - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:16:24
                                                            You define them one way, others define them differently, - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:25:27
                                                                 I explain them in the correct way. When you or others - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:53:53
                                                                      Your definition is just that... your definition. It is not - JeffB MU - 12/27 17:37:28
                                                  It depends on where you believe natural rights come from - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:57:59
                                                       Natural rights stem from nature. - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:01:56
                                                            No, there should not be criminal pentaltie against adultry - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 16:16:17
                                                                 Well that is great and all, except that you don't determine - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:18:19
                                                                      Actually, you *do* define what 'natural rights' are and not - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:41:36
                                                                           I have never personally defined the natural rights. - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:56:12
                                                                                But you are basing your beliefs, whether you have formally - JeffB MU - 12/27 17:40:03
                                                                      And your hang up is you assume rights come from an - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 16:26:46
                                                                           That's not what I think - ummmm MU - 12/27 16:55:42
     glad I missed the below - FootballRefugee MU - 12/27 15:03:36
          He is a three trick pony it appears - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:05:00
               I started none of those threads, fyi (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 15:12:43
                    Nor did you add much to be quite honest - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:21:16
                         What was there that could possibly be added? - pickle MU - 12/27 15:43:03
                              And you are perfectly suited to the task of doing nothing(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:58:55
                                   he found his calling - FootballRefugee MU - 12/27 15:59:36
                                        Few people are better suited to do nothing than is he - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 16:00:33
                         4Tigs, why do you protest when pickle has others agree - 90Tiger MU - 12/27 15:33:54
                              The issue there was not that others agree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:39:51
                                   What pickle was I in? Where was this direct challenge? - pickle MU - 12/27 15:44:01
                                        Your daily humilation as you are shown to champion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:59:58
                                             Answer the question, 4Tigs (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 16:11:02
                                                  Look back at when they, as always, had to jump in for you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 16:17:47
                                                       Answer the question, 4Tigs (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 16:36:34
                                                            Hypocrite * - JeffB MU - 12/27 16:47:53
     Like the swallows to Capistrano (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 15:03:34
     do you need a hug? (nm) - ashtray UF - 12/27 15:00:46
          No, just killing time - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 15:04:01




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