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RE: lol who is in the big "neocon contingent"?(nm)

Posted on: December 20, 2016 at 09:50:51 CT
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"In 1973, Michael Harrington coined the term "neoconservatism" to describe those liberal intellectuals and political philosophers who were disaffected with the political and cultural attitudes dominating the Democratic Party and were moving toward a new form of conservatism. Intended by Harrington as a pejorative term, it was accepted by Kristol as an apt description of the ideas and policies exemplified by The Public Interest. Unlike liberals, for example, neoconservatives rejected most of the Great Society programs sponsored by Lyndon Johnson; and unlike traditional conservatives, they supported the more limited welfare state instituted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt."

Neoconservatism, Kristol maintains, is not an ideology but a "persuasion," a way of thinking about politics rather than a compendium of principles and axioms. It is classical rather than romantic in temperament, and practical and anti-Utopian in policy. One of Kristol's most celebrated quips defines a neoconservative as "a liberal who has been mugged by reality." As a former Trotskyist, Irving was indeed himself mugged by the "reality" of conservative philosophy and enfolded leftist policies such as a lack of objection to welfare programs, international "revolution" through nation-building/militarily imposed "democracy" and application of Fabian Socialism/Keynesianism coupled with a socially conservative viewpoint. These concepts lie at the core of neoconservative philosophy to this day.

The part I like in particular and applies best to the TB group is this:

while not identifying as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of democracy in the Middle East.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/irving-kristols-neoconservative-persuasion/
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     ^^^ Used the word "all". Therefore wrong. - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 09:51:01
     Methinks you are painting with too broad a brush. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 09:48:55
          Of course it is a broad brush - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:54:28
               'how most people think' =/= 'all those on the right' - JeffB MU - 12/20 10:51:53
                    First of all - meatiger MU - 12/20 11:01:22
                         First of all, how do you define alt-right? Have you seen - JeffB MU - 12/20 13:12:40
               meatiger, you're referring to me and I've done nothing of - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:04:51
                    Actually,....I am not referring to you at all - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:11:54
                         I already know what your point was, that's why I addressed - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:33:50
                              so how was it referring to you - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:34:59
                                   you've previously accused me of changing on this topic. - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:45:52
                                        to me you have changed - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:58:05
     Meet the new boss..same as the old boss - JayHoaxH8r MU - 12/20 09:45:49
          You're the one who claims to be a shrink, right? And - hokie VT - 12/20 10:11:49
               Shrink? Why do you lie? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 12/20 12:23:32
                    I asked a question. How is that a lie? Apologies - hokie VT - 12/20 12:39:22
     My guess? Trump will make that a little less comfortable - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:41:44
          lol who is in the big "neocon contingent"?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/20 09:42:20
               RE: lol who is in the big "neocon contingent"?(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:50:51
                    Well then, I'm not a neocon, since - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 09:54:09
                         GAT you slurp israeli manbutter - JayHoaxH8r MU - 12/20 09:57:01
                              he does in fact do that, yes. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 10:05:16
                         i don't know that I've ever called you a neocon. I think yo - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:56:04
               You - JayHoaxH8r MU - 12/20 09:46:20
               He doesn't even know what a neocon is... - Spanky KU - 12/20 09:43:51
                    Spanky, neocon has been defined here more times - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:50:30
                         Explain how anyone here is a 'liberal intellectual and - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:03:40
                              At least your definition includes the real definition of - ummmm MU - 12/20 10:30:41
                                   Yes! How is that different from what others now misslabel - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:35:26
                                        Adding the "neo" means they are different from standard - ummmm MU - 12/20 10:54:50
                                             How are they different? Can you list who on TB is a - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:58:01
                                                  Neo-conservatives have adopted more progressive measures - ummmm MU - 12/20 11:06:29
                                                  You can't understand - pickle MU - 12/20 11:03:17
               lol the neocons, those who admit it and those who - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:43:32




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