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Posted on: December 20, 2016 at 09:38:51 CT
tman MU
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Property rights are not natural rights. You are clearing mixing them them with those that come from being a human being.

What you do with your body and time is your choice in say producing things is an ability over which you claim possession. It is not a natural right. Even ownership of it is not a natural right.

Now lets expand from something produced to a naturally occurring item such as land. Is there a natural right to possess a piece of property? What about use of that property. If I stop a stream from flowing to the people property you possess, those rendering it useless have I committed a crime
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Rethink crime. What is crime? - pickle MU - 12/20 08:49:38
     Is it a crime for a lion to eat a zebra? - JeffB MU - 12/20 11:47:13
     What's a board? What determins whether or not it's the wrong - Emoji Man MSU - 12/20 09:54:57
     What are natural rights? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 12/20 09:21:31
          RE: What are natural rights? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:33:18
               RE: What are natural rights? (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 12/20 11:04:01
                    Yes, property rights are natural rights - pickle MU - 12/20 11:09:42
               What is a right? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 12/20 10:04:56
     Always timely, topical and relevant. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/20 09:09:13
          Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:17:09
     That's a rabbit hole worth side-stepping - raskolnikov MU - 12/20 09:04:25
          I understand why you would want to avoid it (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:07:35
               You are boring, primarily(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/20 10:22:21
     Incorrect(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:00:20
          Because? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:03:27
               Tha tis YOUR definition of crime(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:27:35
                    Answer the question, please - pickle MU - 12/20 09:28:39
                         rethink in what context? - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:34:55
                              RE: rethink in what context? - pickle MU - 12/20 09:40:35
                                   LOL - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:42:39
                                        The always open-minded meatiger - pickle MU - 12/20 09:47:30
                                             It is a silly premise - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:51:15
                                                  What's silly about the premise? - pickle MU - 12/20 09:56:22
                                                       ypou are the most close minded person on here - meatiger MU - 12/20 09:59:06
                                                            Please answer the question instead of being hysterical (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:04:03
                                                                 No I won;t - meatiger MU - 12/20 10:13:14
                                                                      One of us is trying to have a discussion - pickle MU - 12/20 10:37:25
     you want to redefine crime, not rethink it. - Spanky KU - 12/20 09:00:14
          No (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:17:23
               yes. - Spanky KU - 12/20 09:45:59
          one requires the other (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:06:32
               No.. All he wants to do is redefine the word. - Spanky KU - 12/20 09:46:22
                    no (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/20 09:54:17
                         Yes. - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:04:26
                    That is completely false (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:47:59
                         No.. It is 100% true. - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:05:39
                              That is also 100% false - pickle MU - 12/20 10:10:44
                                   No. You want to redefine the word 'crime' to fit YOUR - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:17:16
                                        Rethink crime, Spanky (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 10:39:40
                                             I don't need to. You need to understand your own words. - Spanky KU - 12/20 10:49:51
                                                  You can't. You are incapable (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 11:10:42
     Why is that a crime? - tman KC - 12/20 08:57:38
          I said physical action, which would include property - pickle MU - 12/20 09:02:54
               So let's go down property right avenue - tman KC - 12/20 09:09:20
                    You are incorrect. - pickle MU - 12/20 09:16:06
                         I am correct. - tman KC - 12/20 09:38:51
                              You aren't. Property rights are natural rights - pickle MU - 12/20 09:46:16
                                   We can agree to disagree because those require the state - tman KC - 12/20 10:40:35
                                        None of what I have said requires a State (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 11:10:13
          he didn't say "touching" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/20 08:58:58
     what about abortion?(nm) - escalade NWMSU - 12/20 08:53:16
          As it stands...it's legalised genocide... - Logan BAMA - 12/20 09:10:19
               It's not genocide (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:18:25
                    Disagree....deliberate killing of a group of people... - Logan BAMA - 12/20 09:30:17
                         It's not killing of a group of people - pickle MU - 12/20 09:34:55
          Not a crime (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 08:58:42
               what is more natural than the conception... - escalade NWMSU - 12/20 12:11:11
               why? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/20 09:04:22
                    Because it's the woman's body - pickle MU - 12/20 09:12:27
                         what's in your definition of crime - SwampTiger MU - 12/20 09:18:31
                              What exception? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:21:19
                                   RE: What exception? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/20 09:32:35
                                        RE: What exception? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:39:17
          A fetus is not a person (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/20 08:55:26
               False. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/20 10:40:39
               So you disagree that someone should be prosecuted for - hefeweizen MU - 12/20 09:01:29
                    RE: So you disagree that someone should be prosecuted for - sarasotatiger MU - 12/20 09:10:34
                         Why is it a life in one case but not in another?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/20 09:12:51
                    Two different things (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 09:03:46
                         One is a life and one isnt?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/20 09:08:52
                              No. One is a sovereign choice and the other isn't - pickle MU - 12/20 09:13:05
                                   But that's not how the laws are written in most cases. The - hefeweizen MU - 12/20 09:14:21
                                        I couldn't care less how the laws are written - pickle MU - 12/20 09:16:52




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