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It isn't ignored. It is secondary and I'll show you why.

Posted on: December 12, 2016 at 16:26:56 CT
TigerMatt STL
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Everyone has a right to act in self defense. That right however is lost when they initiate an action.

I punch you. You hit me back (in self defense), I cannot then shoot you on grounds of self defense. I forfeited that when I initiated action knowing the possible outcome of you fighting back.

In cases of consensual sex, women know the possible outcome is pregnancy. Knowing the consequences, they chose anyway. The child has his own body. It is a distinct human life. The child had no say in coming into existence. The mother already made her choice, again knowing the consequences. The child's rights take precedence over the mother. Just as your right to self defense took precedence over my rights when I initiates an attack on you knowing the possible consequences.


Women forfeit their right over bodily autonomy through their conscience choice.
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Surge in drug-affected newborns driven by rural opioid use - Spanky KU - 12/12 15:50:49
     Saw something similar - El-ahrairah KC - 12/12 16:24:23
          The rationale of that is unassailable. Of course, - GA Tiger MU - 12/12 16:30:20
     Given the surety that many of the women were addicts - GA Tiger MU - 12/12 16:15:41
          simple, kill the mother and save the unborn (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/12 16:18:06
     Using drugs is victimless. assaulting your unborn through - 90Tiger MU - 12/12 15:53:27
          Can the unborn be a victim of assault? - Spanky KU - 12/12 15:54:23
               they have no rights - SuperTone MU - 12/12 16:01:25
                    I just find people inconsistent positions on this funny - tman KC - 12/12 16:06:15
                         Those aren't inconsistent or contradictory views (nm) - pickle MU - 12/12 16:22:36
                              Wrong. If they have no rights, they have none - tman KC - 12/12 16:31:08
                                   What you posted was not contradictory nor inconsistent - pickle MU - 12/12 16:40:09
                                        They are contradictory because no person, woman or man, - JeffB MU - 12/12 16:59:40
                                        You miss the point. It is not the crime against the woman. - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:42:46
                                             I'm not missing the point - pickle MU - 12/12 16:44:47
                                                  Your logic is flawed. If the unborn fetus has no rights - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:47:26
                                                       tman didn't say murder - pickle MU - 12/12 17:54:18
                                        Wrong. Go back to your basement utopia world(nm) - tman KC - 12/12 16:42:19
                                             Grow up, tman (nm) - pickle MU - 12/12 16:45:09
                                                  I have tried to have discussions - tman KC - 12/12 17:14:06
                                                       i would love to see a link (nm) - pickle MU - 12/12 17:58:16
                              Except, they are. It isnt up to the whims of the mother to - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:28:00
                         any position is inconsistent. If you claim to be a "right to - 90Tiger MU - 12/12 16:16:54
                              No. Both have rights. Those aren't inconsistent positions - tman KC - 12/12 16:36:37
                                   Give an example of an inconsistent position (nm) - pickle MU - 12/12 16:42:59
                              That is false on it's face.. The life of the mother is - Spanky KU - 12/12 16:34:12
                              It isn't ignored. It is secondary and I'll show you why. - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:26:56
                                   That's an all-around misunderstanding of rights - pickle MU - 12/12 16:42:08
                                        That is exactly what you claim when you say a woman - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:44:01
                                             I have never claimed that - pickle MU - 12/12 16:47:18
                                                  Just because you dance around the topic does not mean - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:49:03
                                                       i don't dance around the topic - pickle MU - 12/12 17:55:26
                                                            You are confused.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 18:17:38
                                   Ok, and the woman who smokes and drinks when pregnant - GA Tiger MU - 12/12 16:32:56
                                        Without direct evidence like fetal alcohol syndrome, I dont - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:36:04
                                             Apparently. I've never even seen it discussed.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/12 16:44:44
                              The inconsistency comes from the reality that none of us - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/12 16:19:26
                    pickle is wrong on this.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/12 16:04:12




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