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Posted on: December 3, 2016 at 16:19:21 CT
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While in theory I believe the Constitutional Republic designed by the Framers coupled with more or less free market capitalism is a superior design for government, I've realized that the relative success of a given nation at the margins has more to do with the capital stock of the people that comprise that nation than with the particular design of government. There are obvious outliers: Communism has been a disaster wherever it's been tried (see Russia, Cuba, South Korea).

But I came of age a Reagan Republican and was a firm believer in the theory of smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation, free trade, etc. I thought NAFTA at the time was a good idea. I looked down on the social democratic systems in Europe.

In hindsight, while I still think the old American model is still preferable and the best, did the European countries, in particular the Nordic countries, not seem to be rather happy, peaceful and successful with their social democratic forms of government? I would suggest it had more to do with the fact that they had relatively smaller populations that were homogeneous and high functioning. They constantly ranked high in surveys of the most happy countries, most content populace, etc. While I argued here and elsewhere that they were wrong because they were quasi-socialistic, who can say they weren't successful for their people?


You can implement any form of government you want, or no form at all (AC) in your typical African or middle-eastern country and it will be a complete disaster, largely because the populations there are not highly functional.

I would note that the Nordic countries are now falling in those surveys with mass immigration from Africa and the Middle-East, mostly Muslim.

If Trump does anything to stem the tide of mass immigration from third world countries, he will have been a success in my book.

Everything else is trivial.

Edited by MUTGR at 16:24:47 on 12/03/16
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     Everyone is always focused on a philosophy - ummmm MU - 12/3 18:39:37
     RE: Have we gotten so focused on philosophy that we - MUTGR MU - 12/3 16:19:21
          Racism and nationalism - pickle MU - 12/3 16:22:13
               government is force. globalism is great, Ecomics in 1 - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:27:36
                    You left out the ubiquitous straw man. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/3 16:35:56
               Name calling. What did I say was factually inaccurate? - MUTGR MU - 12/3 16:24:12
                    government is force, check your premise, strawman - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:28:39
                    What name did I call you? - pickle MU - 12/3 16:26:32
                         government is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:29:20
     Yes, some on this board focus entirely on philosophy. - RHAYWORTH MU - 12/3 15:11:06
          RE: Yes, some on this board focus entirely on philosophy. - JangoFett MU - 12/3 15:40:20
               philosophy matters, but so does practical decision making (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:44:27
                    Nothing in your blind defense of the Carrier "deal" - pickle MU - 12/3 15:53:58
                         Your opinion is duly noted. I'm glad you are seeing and - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:56:44
                              Of course calling you blind is on me - pickle MU - 12/3 16:00:00
                                   Great, thanks for explaining why. That you're too lazy to - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:02:42
                                        Why should I? - pickle MU - 12/3 16:08:11
                                             so why did you bother to comment at all? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:10:35
                                                  Because you wanted to know "why" - pickle MU - 12/3 16:14:28
                                                       good lord. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:20:06
                                                            Sorry that's inconvenient for you - pickle MU - 12/3 16:23:40
                                                                 RE: Sorry that's inconvenient for you - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:25:10
                                                                      Perfect - pickle MU - 12/3 16:27:37
                                                                           Government is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:29:33
          RE: Yes, some on this board focus entirely on philosophy. - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:28:17
          Not a single person on this board - pickle MU - 12/3 15:14:54
               Pickletopians now have ESP ? Capable of mind reading? - RHAYWORTH MU - 12/3 15:17:09
                    I didn't tell you what you think - pickle MU - 12/3 15:19:26
                         govt is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:32:01
          Nobody is a neocon because they support national defense - JG MU - 12/3 15:14:23
     Government solely exists by force - pickle MU - 12/3 15:04:27
          thanks for making my point; so let's never ever EVER - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:29:50
               Yes, I do - it exists solely by force, it is illegitimate. - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:49:16
               No you don't (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 15:47:59
                    RE: No you don't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:50:46
                         Repeating my words - pickle MU - 12/3 15:55:59
                              Nope, but I know it is true. Hence, there is never - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:04:35
                                   But you don't - pickle MU - 12/3 16:10:06
                                        government is force and the economy of Mexico is - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:11:14
                                             Keep focusing on economies of governments, - pickle MU - 12/3 16:16:16
                                                  you've made no point to which i can respond. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:20:56
                                                       I know (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 16:24:08
                                                            government is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:29:48
          Sure thing, Rainman(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/3 15:15:44
          Straw man (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 15:05:18
               Not even in the same universe (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 15:10:11
                    Cowardly lion (nm) - MUTGR MU - 12/3 15:49:11
     anyone want to answer this post seriously? I'd - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 14:46:12
     Forget philosophy - JG MU - 12/3 14:23:06
          how was he involved - in terms of facts you know only? - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 14:26:25
               Thats a good point , Trump is a liar - JG MU - 12/3 14:32:30
                    So you're stopping short of stating you think this - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 14:44:32
                         It certainly establishes a bad prededent - Ferg STL - 12/3 14:56:34
                              there is no precedent here - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:26:40
                                   Your subject line is correct - pickle MU - 12/3 15:52:29
                                        thanks for explaining why, again. "A is wrong" isn't - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:05:54
                                   Yes, Obama involved himself in the private sector - Ferg STL - 12/3 15:33:36
                                        no, states have been offering tax incentives to corporations - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 15:49:50
                                             That's not why they changed their decision. - Ferg STL - 12/3 16:17:03
                                                  You know it, I know it - pickle MU - 12/3 16:19:10
                                                       So clearly you didn't read THESE posts FROM ME: - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:23:46
                                                            I read every one of them - pickle MU - 12/3 16:25:24
                                                                 RE: I read every one of them - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:25:40
                                                                      #MAGA (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 16:28:21
                                                                           government is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:29:58
                                                                                Tigrrr already has this schtick (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 16:32:46
                                                                                     govt is force - you're worth no more than what you - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:33:22
                                             Now that is a strawman - pickle MU - 12/3 16:01:24
                                                  well Trump didn't involve the federal govt tax or $ in any - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:06:43
                                                       It's not a red herring - pickle MU - 12/3 16:18:06
                                                            RE: It's not a red herring - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:25:26
                                                                 Enjoy that steak (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 16:32:00
                                                                      govt is force (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 16:32:12
                              You're decades and centuries too late for that (nm) - pickle MU - 12/3 15:12:10
                         I can only point out that for the most part the signs - JG MU - 12/3 14:51:08
                         JG calls everyone a liar - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/3 14:47:31
                              You just lied, the reason you lied - JG MU - 12/3 14:49:40
                                   What did he say that was a lie?(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 14:52:14
                                        LOL - JG MU - 12/3 14:56:39
                                        maybe my use of everyone - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/3 14:54:44
                                             Not even a tiny percentage on this board - JG MU - 12/3 14:57:24
                                             He is a bit autistic when it comes to language.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 14:56:42
                                                  I do understand it yes - JG MU - 12/3 15:08:46
                                                       No, you don't, and your own post just proved it again. - RHAYWORTH MU - 12/3 15:14:34
                                                            I don't routinely call anyone a liar that - JG MU - 12/3 15:21:48
                                                       Abstract use of language is lost on you. That is why you - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 15:13:48
                                                            LOl Ok clown, point out just one example - JG MU - 12/3 15:21:05
                                                                 Easy - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 15:24:38
                                                                      LOL if thats the best you can do -then epic fail - JG MU - 12/3 15:28:15
                                                                           Again, the abstract is lost on you.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 16:04:20
                                                                                LOl I'm not even thinking you understand - JG MU - 12/3 16:14:08
                                                                                     If you didnt have an autistic understanding of language - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 16:23:34
                                                                                          LOL point to any time , JUST ONE, - JG MU - 12/3 16:33:11
                                                                                               Already did.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/3 18:43:30
                                                                                                    LOL no simpleton - JG MU - 12/4 12:45:31
               The President should only regulate and strangle business - Uncle Fester USMC - 12/3 14:29:46
                    EXACTLY. hence my post below. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/3 14:44:54
                    The President should set high level policy - Ferg STL - 12/3 14:39:58
                         is that in the Constitution? - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/3 14:43:10
                              Sure, Nothing prevents him from negotiating with the private - Uncle Fester USMC - 12/3 14:49:41




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