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no one said he does. that is a straw man.

Posted on: October 14, 2016 at 12:01:55 CT
mizzou alum 93 MU
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and what you described is how governments are created. that is the "form" it would take. you think calling it "voluntary" or the "free market" changes what it is? it does not.

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pickle, you answered cnk's question by saying a court, judge - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 10:59:46
     the more important question is who enforces their decisions - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:17:33
          I don't know who. I'm not centrally planning a society (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:34:25
               lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:51:25
               no one is asking you to. nice way to dodge that question. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:35:59
          *If* enforcement is needed (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:21:03
               what "if" I just say **** you, I disgaree with the - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:23:22
                    Then you will likely have a very hard time - pickle MU - 10/14 11:35:38
                         what if I have a large private security force and I just - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:37:23
                              I don't think you'd be successful in either endeavor (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:55:11
                                   oh ok(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:56:53
                                   and why would that be? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:56:38
                         tyranny. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:36:21
                    RE: what "if" I just say **** you, I disgaree with the - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:25:30
                         and by what authority would these agencies be given - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:27:24
                         I disagree. I see many forseeable problems(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:27:19
                              Yes, we call that starting a business (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:29:56
                                   No, we call that human conflict. At some point - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:31:47
                                        Ok. And? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:36:26
                                             That, by definition, is called government(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:38:49
                                                  no it isn't hef. there are tons of non-govt resolved disput - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:26:35
                                                       yes, it is. those entitities would evolve into government - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:29:49
                                                  It's not - pickle MU - 10/14 11:43:28
                                                       sorry, it is. This is one of those times where we will - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:45:01
                                                            Edited above. ...No, it isn't - pickle MU - 10/14 11:46:56
                                                                 no, you just described how legitimate government is created. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:49:41
                                                                 And I think where many differ with you is the eventual - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:48:49
                                                                      How many people do you punch or dick over every day? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:56:07
                                                                           That's a do you still beat your wife question that is - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:06:41
                                                                                is the presence of govt the only thing that prevents you - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:27:54
                                                                                     grow up. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:30:22
                                                                                No it isn't; there is no false choice or false assumption - pickle MU - 10/14 12:10:27
                                                                                     I see what you mean there but the minority is what - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:14:13
                                                                                          markets, social pressure, information, word of mouth has - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:29:25
                                                                                               please prove your first sentence. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:31:33
                                                                                          I disagree (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 12:20:07
                                                                                               then you are denying history. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:20:44
                                                                                     man does not engage in "cooperative behavior" all the time - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:11:39
                                                                           irrelevant. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:57:25
                                                       yes, it is. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:44:03
                                        And there are ways which that can be handled - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:33:54
                                             You mean you'd have to get a group, or community together - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:35:11
                                                  No, that's not what he means (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:37:09
                                                       That's what he said.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:38:00
                                                            No he didn't - pickle MU - 10/14 11:43:11
                                                                 no one mentioned anything about central planning. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:43:46
                                                                      Oh but ummmm did indeed mention it - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:46:02
                                                                           RE: Oh but ummmm did indeed mention it - pickle MU - 10/14 11:49:07
                                                                                and there it is. Just what I said you eventually do that - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:50:30
                                                                                     What else can I say? - pickle MU - 10/14 11:59:53
                                                                                          And history, time after time, has told you exactly what - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:10:35
                                                                                          no one said he does. that is a straw man. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:01:55
                                                                                nice laydown. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:50:16
                                                            pickle and ummm are literally describing how governments - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:39:26
                                                                 That's my take as well. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:40:01
                                                  No, businesses would do this. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:36:12
                                                       You used the terms the people and community.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:37:30
                                                            Where did I say "community" ? - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:38:38
                                                                 what's the difference? people make up a community. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:40:25
                                                                      Im not trying to be obtuse here but it seems like they are - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:41:31
                                                                           What definition? Give an example (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 12:05:41
                                                                                What you described is how a community sets up - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:08:23
                                                                                     Communities don't set up gvmts - pickle MU - 10/14 12:25:34
                                                                                          yes they do. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:32:13
                                                                                RE: What definition? Give an example (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:07:49
                                                                           it's what the so-called "pro-liberty" faction here does. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:43:11
                                                                 my bad, pickle used that term(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:39:28
                                                                      Alright, no problem (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:40:59
                                                       those "businesses" would be acting just like government. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:37:08
                                             we are not talking about "growing food" making clothes" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:34:54
                                   so, you think courts can be run like businesses? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:31:26
               in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:22:19
                    RE: in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:30:00
                         RE: in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:32:41
                    I don't foresee a problem - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:25:11
                         lol ok so who enforces the global agreements? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:29:56
                              What global agreements? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:38:58
                                   the global agreements the so-called "free market" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:50:45
                              The parties to the agreement - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:31:05
                                   Of course you are excluding marriage contracts in your - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:32:56
                                        No (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:39:16
                                        I am not excluding anything. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:34:58
                                             So you are asking me to tell you about how many times Ive - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:36:51
                                                  No (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:39:36
                                                  I am asking you how many times you have found yourself - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:37:35
                                                       Just one(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:40:42
                                                            So, pretty much every time - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:41:43
                                                                 it only takes one time - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:44:48
                                                       do you pay attention to life around you? they happen - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:38:30
               "if?" you can't be serious. how naive are you? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:21:42
     The same answer i gave you below - pickle MU - 10/14 11:16:13
          I didnt scroll down to see you answer. So if it is a - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:21:38
               people will decide they want to be judges. the market - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:31:19
                    "the market" doesn't hire anyone. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:34:29
               By community - pickle MU - 10/14 11:42:19
          by what authority do they have this power? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:17:33
     There are private arbitrators today. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:09:41
          ok, but that doesnt answer my question and you arent - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:11:05
               It does answer your question. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:12:02
                    No it doesnt. Their existence doesnt answer my question at - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:17:06
                         who set up the arbitrators for the NFL or other labor / mana - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:32:40
                              "the parties agreed to them." just like they agreed to - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:33:14
                         You want names or something? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:20:34
                              Dont get angry or put off at my question(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:22:29
                                   I honestly don't understand what you are asking - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:26:02
                                        what authority would enable these "people and companies" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:29:15
                                             Whatever authority people want to submit to them (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:30:19
                                                  so, the consent of the governed to transfer some form of - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:32:33
                    and by what authority do "private people and companies" have - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:13:10
     Deez Nuts! HAA! - Got'em MU - 10/14 11:00:13




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