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Edited above. ...No, it isn't

Posted on: October 14, 2016 at 11:46:56 CT
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no, I described how a business is formed or an organization. Government is not voluntary; it is force and coercion. I am speaking of purely voluntary, free market relationships

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pickle, you answered cnk's question by saying a court, judge - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 10:59:46
     the more important question is who enforces their decisions - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:17:33
          I don't know who. I'm not centrally planning a society (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:34:25
               lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:51:25
               no one is asking you to. nice way to dodge that question. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:35:59
          *If* enforcement is needed (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:21:03
               what "if" I just say **** you, I disgaree with the - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:23:22
                    Then you will likely have a very hard time - pickle MU - 10/14 11:35:38
                         what if I have a large private security force and I just - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:37:23
                              I don't think you'd be successful in either endeavor (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:55:11
                                   oh ok(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:56:53
                                   and why would that be? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:56:38
                         tyranny. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:36:21
                    RE: what "if" I just say **** you, I disgaree with the - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:25:30
                         and by what authority would these agencies be given - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:27:24
                         I disagree. I see many forseeable problems(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:27:19
                              Yes, we call that starting a business (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:29:56
                                   No, we call that human conflict. At some point - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:31:47
                                        Ok. And? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:36:26
                                             That, by definition, is called government(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:38:49
                                                  no it isn't hef. there are tons of non-govt resolved disput - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:26:35
                                                       yes, it is. those entitities would evolve into government - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:29:49
                                                  It's not - pickle MU - 10/14 11:43:28
                                                       sorry, it is. This is one of those times where we will - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:45:01
                                                            Edited above. ...No, it isn't - pickle MU - 10/14 11:46:56
                                                                 no, you just described how legitimate government is created. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:49:41
                                                                 And I think where many differ with you is the eventual - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:48:49
                                                                      How many people do you punch or dick over every day? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:56:07
                                                                           That's a do you still beat your wife question that is - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:06:41
                                                                                is the presence of govt the only thing that prevents you - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:27:54
                                                                                     grow up. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:30:22
                                                                                No it isn't; there is no false choice or false assumption - pickle MU - 10/14 12:10:27
                                                                                     I see what you mean there but the minority is what - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:14:13
                                                                                          markets, social pressure, information, word of mouth has - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:29:25
                                                                                               please prove your first sentence. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:31:33
                                                                                          I disagree (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 12:20:07
                                                                                               then you are denying history. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:20:44
                                                                                     man does not engage in "cooperative behavior" all the time - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:11:39
                                                                           irrelevant. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:57:25
                                                       yes, it is. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:44:03
                                        And there are ways which that can be handled - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:33:54
                                             You mean you'd have to get a group, or community together - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:35:11
                                                  No, that's not what he means (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:37:09
                                                       That's what he said.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:38:00
                                                            No he didn't - pickle MU - 10/14 11:43:11
                                                                 no one mentioned anything about central planning. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:43:46
                                                                      Oh but ummmm did indeed mention it - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:46:02
                                                                           RE: Oh but ummmm did indeed mention it - pickle MU - 10/14 11:49:07
                                                                                and there it is. Just what I said you eventually do that - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:50:30
                                                                                     What else can I say? - pickle MU - 10/14 11:59:53
                                                                                          And history, time after time, has told you exactly what - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:10:35
                                                                                          no one said he does. that is a straw man. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:01:55
                                                                                nice laydown. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:50:16
                                                            pickle and ummm are literally describing how governments - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:39:26
                                                                 That's my take as well. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:40:01
                                                  No, businesses would do this. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:36:12
                                                       You used the terms the people and community.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:37:30
                                                            Where did I say "community" ? - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:38:38
                                                                 what's the difference? people make up a community. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:40:25
                                                                      Im not trying to be obtuse here but it seems like they are - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:41:31
                                                                           What definition? Give an example (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 12:05:41
                                                                                What you described is how a community sets up - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 12:08:23
                                                                                     Communities don't set up gvmts - pickle MU - 10/14 12:25:34
                                                                                          yes they do. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:32:13
                                                                                RE: What definition? Give an example (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:07:49
                                                                           it's what the so-called "pro-liberty" faction here does. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:43:11
                                                                 my bad, pickle used that term(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:39:28
                                                                      Alright, no problem (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:40:59
                                                       those "businesses" would be acting just like government. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:37:08
                                             we are not talking about "growing food" making clothes" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:34:54
                                   so, you think courts can be run like businesses? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:31:26
               in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:22:19
                    RE: in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:30:00
                         RE: in the real world there would come a time when enforcement - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:32:41
                    I don't foresee a problem - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:25:11
                         lol ok so who enforces the global agreements? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/14 11:29:56
                              What global agreements? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:38:58
                                   the global agreements the so-called "free market" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:50:45
                              The parties to the agreement - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:31:05
                                   Of course you are excluding marriage contracts in your - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:32:56
                                        No (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:39:16
                                        I am not excluding anything. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:34:58
                                             So you are asking me to tell you about how many times Ive - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:36:51
                                                  No (nm) - pickle MU - 10/14 11:39:36
                                                  I am asking you how many times you have found yourself - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:37:35
                                                       Just one(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:40:42
                                                            So, pretty much every time - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:41:43
                                                                 it only takes one time - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:44:48
                                                       do you pay attention to life around you? they happen - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:38:30
               "if?" you can't be serious. how naive are you? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:21:42
     The same answer i gave you below - pickle MU - 10/14 11:16:13
          I didnt scroll down to see you answer. So if it is a - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:21:38
               people will decide they want to be judges. the market - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:31:19
                    "the market" doesn't hire anyone. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:34:29
               By community - pickle MU - 10/14 11:42:19
          by what authority do they have this power? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:17:33
     There are private arbitrators today. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:09:41
          ok, but that doesnt answer my question and you arent - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:11:05
               It does answer your question. - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:12:02
                    No it doesnt. Their existence doesnt answer my question at - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:17:06
                         who set up the arbitrators for the NFL or other labor / mana - 90Tiger MU - 10/14 12:32:40
                              "the parties agreed to them." just like they agreed to - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 12:33:14
                         You want names or something? (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:20:34
                              Dont get angry or put off at my question(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/14 11:22:29
                                   I honestly don't understand what you are asking - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:26:02
                                        what authority would enable these "people and companies" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:29:15
                                             Whatever authority people want to submit to them (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/14 11:30:19
                                                  so, the consent of the governed to transfer some form of - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:32:33
                    and by what authority do "private people and companies" have - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/14 11:13:10
     Deez Nuts! HAA! - Got'em MU - 10/14 11:00:13




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