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From Section XXIII of “A Letter to Grover Cleveland” (1886)

Posted on: June 7, 2024 at 09:42:05 CT
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Lysander Spooner

https://mises.org/mises-wire/problem-federal-courts-and-sovereignty

… The only real “sovereignty,” or right of “sovereignty,” in this or any other country, is that right of sovereignty which each and every human being has over his or her own person and property, so long as he or she obeys the one law of jus tice towards the person and property of every other human being. This is the only natural right of sovereignty, that was ever known among men. All other so called rights of sovereignty are simply the usurpations of impostors, conspirators, robbers, tyrants, and murderers.

It is not strange that we are in such high favor with the tyrants of Europe, when our Supreme Court tells them that our government, although a little different in form, stands on the same essential basis as theirs of a hundred years ago; that it is as absolute and irresponsible as theirs were then; that it will spend more money, and shed more blood, to maintain its power, than they have ever been able to do; that the people have no more rights here than there; and that the government is doing all it can to keep the producing classes as poor here as they are there.
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From Section XXIII of “A Letter to Grover Cleveland” (1886) - pickle MU - 6/7 09:42:05
     so I only have rights "so long as" I - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 10:38:43
          Did you stop reading after that? (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 6/7 11:17:54
               no(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:20:16
          no (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 10:43:59
               I only quoted your post..are you disagreeing with yourself?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 10:57:00
                    you didn’t “only” quote my post - pickle MU - 6/7 11:07:27
                         so disagreeing with you is getting "sideways" - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:13:49
                              he gave you a hint - SwampTiger MU - 6/7 11:31:58
                                   "...so long as he or she obeys the one law of justice - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:39:52
                                        it means no one has a right to infringe - pickle MU - 6/7 11:46:04
                                             I agree..no one has the right to infringe (that is a negati - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 12:18:59
                                                  no, that is not a negative right (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 12:27:34
                                                       lots of definitions out there for it - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 12:38:26
                                                            RE: lots of definitions out there for it - pickle MU - 6/7 12:41:30
                                                                 ok..and you have your rights SO LONG AS you dont - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 12:53:16
                                                                      no (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 12:53:56
                                             isn't that a negative right? you can't do this - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:55:49
                                                  isn’t “what” a negative right? - pickle MU - 6/7 11:58:24
                              have a good day, hogtown (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 11:15:07
                                   I will...thanks(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:19:49
                    Do you think he wrote that.... - SwampTiger MU - 6/7 11:04:18
                         no..but I do assume he agreed with it(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/7 11:06:29
                              it’s nothing different from what i have been posting - pickle MU - 6/7 11:12:05
                                   We know. We know(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 6/7 11:40:37
                                        i don’t think you do (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 11:44:47
                                             RE: i don’t think you do (nm) - tigerNkc KC - 6/7 11:45:57
                                                  are you drunk? (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 11:46:31
                                                       Why can’t you ever come up with a simple answer?(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 6/7 11:54:38
                                                            you’re drunk (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 11:57:27
     another fine example of you speaking for yourself, Lysander. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/7 09:48:40
          it’s a discussion board, RHAY - pickle MU - 6/7 10:02:47
               yet you never discuss. (nm) - tman MU - 6/7 10:08:15
          i don’t know. what happens? (nm) - pickle MU - 6/7 10:02:14
               It is missing from your 140 year old "letter" - Spanky KU - 6/7 12:52:29
               nice lay down (nm) - tman MU - 6/7 10:22:02
          he has no answer(nm) - tman MU - 6/7 09:49:32
               of course not, and he never will. - RHAYWORTH MU - 6/7 10:16:50




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