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RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was

Posted on: November 30, 2023 at 20:18:28 CT
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1. We know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8).
Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (p. 309).

Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.

2. Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4).
Such censuses were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.

Given the difficulties and the desire to bring pagans into Christianity, "the important fact then . . . to get clearly into your head is that the fixing of the date as December 25th was a compromise with paganism" (William Walsh, The Story of Santa Klaus, 1970, p. 62).

Did Jesus Christ birth occur on December 25th? Can we even know when Christ was born? Should we really be celebrating His birth?
Watch the video "When Was Jesus Born?"
If Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born?
The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year (The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (Luke 1:23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.
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Am hearing - Ace AU - 11/30 17:39:16
     Correct me if I am wrong, oh mental midget, but Jews do not - OntheMark MU - 11/30 19:12:09
          about 177,000 Christians live in Israel - JG A - 11/30 19:45:31
          do you think only jews live in jerusalem? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 19:28:16
     it's a pagan holiday (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 18:28:37
          He’s not talking about Halloween. (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 18:32:24
               Christmas in the US is a pagan holiday - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 18:36:32
                    Christians celebrated December 25th as the date of Jesus’ - Spanky KU - 11/30 18:53:38
                         RE: Christians celebrated December 25th as the date of Jesus’ - sarasotatiger MU - 11/30 20:18:54
                              RE: Christians celebrated December 25th as the date of Jesus’ - Spanky KU - 11/30 21:20:28
                              everything spanky knows, he learned when he was - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 20:19:56
                         Why did they do that, Spanky, and when? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 19:03:55
                              Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:06:46
                                   Why did he die on the day he was conceived. - CulturedDan MU - 11/30 20:25:28
                                   RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 20:18:28
                                        RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:52:05
                                             Herod died in 4BCE. Why does this guy keep placing Jesus’ - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 21:03:18
                                   RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 20:15:54
                                        RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:52:35
                                   RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 20:13:51
                                        RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:52:50
                                   RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 20:12:47
                                        RE: Because Jesus died on the same calendar day he was - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:53:07
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                                        RE: Here's your quickie google search source on that - Spanky KU - 11/30 20:53:25
                              I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting for the answer! - Ace AU - 11/30 19:05:21
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          A dirt nap(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 18:19:27
     You hear wrong - Spanky KU - 11/30 17:47:01
          RE: You hear wrong - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 17:51:54
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                    The article makes it clear there will be no Christmas - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 20:29:15
                         Nope. It does not - Spanky KU - 11/30 21:11:09
                              So you celebrate Christmas every Sunday. Got it.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 21:15:37
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                                             That is Christmas Mass - Spanky KU - 11/30 22:00:36
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                                                       You is dumb. - Spanky KU - 11/30 23:01:38
                    They think Christmas is a series of string lights. (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 18:15:52
                         Apparently(nm) - Spanky KU - 11/30 18:27:16




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