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Posted on: November 29, 2023 at 18:09:24 CT
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immoral, then a society becomes chaotic, as we are beginning to see in our own society.

Some people think that it is ok to steal, just don't get caught. Others think it is only right to steal if one is stealing from someone who they perceive as rich.

Others think that it is ok to use force or intimidation to get what they want.

Nazis obviously thought that by exterminating the Jews they were doing something good for humanity. Some people were living lives not worth living and killing them was also doing good.

Hamas thinks they were doing something good and heroic by attacking Israel and killing and kidnapping people.

Israelis think they are doing good by bombing large civilian areas into dust in an effort to exterminate Hamas and the "collateral damage" is unavoidable.

In some areas and at some points in time members of the KKK thought injuring or even killing blacks to intimidate them was a benefit to society.

Bill McClellan a writer for the Post Dispatch years ago often covered court cases. In one column he wrote that most of the people he interviewed in prison felt they hadn't done anything wrong. The case in point was a young man who was in jail for robbing a store and killing the man behind the counter. The young man was insistent that it wasn't his fault. He said that he had pulled his gun, pointed it at the man and told him to "FREEZE!". The guy stupidly moved and he shot him. It was the teller's fault, he didn't follow directions.

In another story some high school kids were queried about what they thought they should do if someone disrespected "dissed" them. They were virtually unanimous in saying that that person needed to be killed. They all agreed and were rather nonchalant about it. That was just the moral code in that part of the hood.

The bottom line is that with no objective moral code, there is no rational way to determine what *is* moral and what is immoral. What is moral for me is not what is moral for you, and differs from area to area and from time to time.

How can a society operate that way? How can they make laws or rules or enforce them if everyone makes up their own reality and their own moral code?
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Have we seen proof of beheaded babies yet? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/29 12:58:32
     They are just Jews anyway - mu7176grad MU - 11/29 17:38:41
     Would that change your view of Hamas? (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/29 17:19:56
     Yer boy says so. Good enough for me - pinkman MU - 11/29 14:06:42
          ^believes Biden(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/29 14:45:20
          israel owns biden too - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/29 14:15:24
     RE: Have we seen proof of beheaded babies yet? - MIZ45 MU - 11/29 13:47:15
     You dont believe hamas? - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/29 13:44:02
     Asking for proof is anti semitic (nm) - zoomer 99 - 11/29 13:22:48
          Praise be to Allah (nm) - mu7176grad MU - 11/29 13:31:00
               I don't like Muslims either - zoomer 99 - 11/29 14:18:46
     RE: Have we seen proof of beheaded babies yet? - JeffB MU - 11/29 13:10:40
          appears he was hit by an explosion - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/29 13:21:56
               I didn't say that it was the IDF... - JeffB MU - 11/29 13:25:05
                    israel condones abortion - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/29 13:25:28
                         Which is absurdly immoral to the nth degree. (nm) - JeffB MU - 11/29 13:50:08
                              how many degrees of morality are there? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 13:52:34
                                   N - hokie VT - 11/29 15:06:11
                                   It is probably infinite. Hopefully you do agree that there - JeffB MU - 11/29 14:03:03
                                        that’s a ridiculous argument - pickle MU - 11/29 15:53:33
                                             Irony(nm) - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:35:04
                                                  you always misuse that word (nm) - pickle MU - 11/29 16:38:54
                                                       Nope. (nm) - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:45:26
                                                            always (nm) - pickle MU - 11/29 19:32:20
                                        It's either moral or immoral - kmawv8 MU - 11/29 14:11:48
                                             So by your estimation someone kid stealing a pencil off of - JeffB MU - 11/29 14:19:19
                                                  Both are immoral. There are no degrees to it. - kmawv8 MU - 11/29 14:23:11
                                                       I thought when they were Reino size - meatiger MU - 11/29 14:25:33
                                                  "just as immoral"? does the bible make morality - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 14:22:51
                                                       The bible says: - JeffB MU - 11/29 14:38:23
                                                            There aren't. You can't just invent new definitions to - kmawv8 MU - 11/29 14:44:03
                                                                 Where do you get your definition and your views regarding - JeffB MU - 11/29 15:24:21
                                                                      you require God - meatiger MU - 11/29 15:51:51
                                                                           Do you believe that everything in existence is matter that - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:29:31
                                                                                unchangeable? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 16:34:51
                                                                                     Do you disagree? Do you think that the laws of nature - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:37:24
                                                                           Christians have three commands. Love God, love your - TigerMatt STL - 11/29 15:57:57
                                                                                Trumplican nationalists fail on all counts - JG MU - 11/29 18:22:21
                                                                      Morality defined: - kmawv8 MU - 11/29 15:41:11
                                                                           It seems to me that a belief in God has everything to do - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:18:18
                                                                                you struggle with logic and reasoning (nm) - pickle MU - 11/29 16:39:55
                                                                                     Irony. (nm) - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:48:33
                                                                                          RE: Irony. (nm) - pickle MU - 11/29 19:32:44
                                                                                of course it does, you've hitched your personal morality to - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 16:36:05
                                                                                     Do you believe in an objective morality or do you think it - JeffB MU - 11/29 16:49:36
                                                                                          of course everyone has their own sense of morality. it's - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 17:10:22
                                                                                               But if there is no objective right or wrong, moral or - JeffB MU - 11/29 18:09:24
                                                                                                    tl;dr and it's all just you talking to yourself. find your - 90Tiger STL - 11/29 18:41:52
                              The Chosen People - JayHoaxH8r MU - 11/29 13:52:23
     uh oh ... here comes the meltdown (nm) - Sal CMSU - 11/29 12:59:10




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