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By that reasoning, your neighbor has the choice to shoot the

Posted on: October 12, 2023 at 15:57:07 CT
JeffB MU
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little kid that hit his baseball through his window.

"that "right" is the right to self-determination

he alone determines his choice. You have the "right" to make your own decisions. It doesn't mean I support your decision, only that you have the freedom to make it.

"Free will" if you will.

and yet courts have ruled, rightly I think all reasonable people would agree, that your right to swing your fist ends where your neighbor's nose begins.

In this case, the abortionist's right to swing his scalpel ends where that innocent child's body begins.
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Truths - pickle MU - 10/12 12:38:43
     if God doesn’t exist, whom or what grants people rights? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:14:26
          RE: if God doesn’t exist, whom or what grants people rights? - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 13:56:33
          Ask him where those rates are written down. He'll probably - hokie VT - 10/12 13:50:12
               Pickles is a cult freak who craves attention… - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:55:11
                    there it is (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:58:53
                         I agree with most/if not all of those rights - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/12 15:52:54
                         You forgot “whoomp” (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 14:00:29
               coward (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:54:12
          Nature. Rights are inherent to the human species (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:32:13
               If all existence is random collections of atoms acting and - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:46:02
               when did “nature” say this?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:39:05
                    when man applied his inherent abilities of reason and logic - pickle MU - 10/12 13:41:32
                         so natural rights didn’t exist until The Enlightenment? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:01:34
                              no, they have always existed so long as the human species - pickle MU - 10/12 14:04:35
                                   ah, so nature never “said” this? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:10:35
                                        no. rights are not a creation of man (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:16:00
                                             it is indeed a creation of man - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:25:48
                                                  gravity is a better example (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/12 14:57:54
                                                  it isn’t - pickle MU - 10/12 14:46:07
                                                       rights are not something that is discovered - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 15:51:37
                                                            that's anti-american, omar (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/12 16:35:33
                                                            the ability of a bird to fly is not concrete - pickle MU - 10/12 16:23:10
                                                  "self-evident"(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 14:26:30
                         Are you getting paid by someone to post this… - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:43:54
                    Every time the wind blows, do you not hear it? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:40:05
          The legal grants them more "rights: than other beings(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 13:21:25
               no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:04:58
               which is dependent on man/government(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:23:22
                    from a progressive-Maoist standpoinit, that's right - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:43:25
          1. Their creator - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:18:32
               1) isn’t that if there is a God/higher power? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:22:51
                    RE: 1) isn’t that if there is a God/higher power? - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 14:00:33
                    for those who don't believe in God, their creator is - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:28:49
               We're struggling with that 2nd part(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:19:18
                    you're telling me(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:29:01
          Nature, unless of course, you're fighting a bear(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:17:54
               Mike Anderson disagrees(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:19:43
     Or what? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:00:55
     and yet you support the right of women to rip the arms & - JeffB MU - 10/12 12:55:58
          no, Jeff. i support self-ownership (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:33:09
               a lot of posters on here self own all the time - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:42:08
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:43:16
               In your own words, pickle: - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:36:28
                    yes, self-ownership, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:42:56
                         Does 'self-ownership' trump the non-aggression principle, - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:49:29
                              It's not his duty to enforce her non-aggression - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:52:42
                                   He supports her 'right' to rip the arms and legs off of her - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:55:56
                                        You have decided that it's your duty to stop her from - Mormad MU - 10/12 14:03:24
                                             He said that mothers have a 'right' to intentionally kill - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:21:55
                                                  Yes, that "right" is the right to self-determination - Mormad MU - 10/12 14:46:14
                                                       By that reasoning, your neighbor has the choice to shoot the - JeffB MU - 10/12 15:57:07
                                                            why aren’t you firebombing clinics? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:24:15
                                                                 The desperation of one who can't defend the contradictions - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:39:54
                                                                      why aren’t you following your beliefs, Jeff? - pickle MU - 10/12 17:04:00
                                                                           I am. Probably for the same reason that you aren't firebombi - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:09:18
                                                                                you aren’t (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 17:24:32
                                                                                     Your childish 'yes you are', 'no you aren't' exchanges are - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:32:41
                                                            Yes, I agree, Jeff and I have some of the same issues - Mormad MU - 10/12 16:13:28
                                                                 If you believe, along with pickle, that a mother has a right - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:43:36
                                        you have a very odd fetish - pickle MU - 10/12 13:58:30
                                             The fetishes are all yours pickle, and the need for mental - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:01:47
                                                  no, Jeff - pickle MU - 10/12 14:05:54
                                                       You're just trying to get me to reply with 'Irony' again so - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:13:32
                                                            i’m not trying to get you to do anything, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:17:10
          JeffB you STILL haven't learned the difference between - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 13:31:44
               You spoke an untruth 90Tiger. - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:38:13
          that's a lie, Jeff(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:00:26
               No. You spoke an untruth, CD. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:37:17
                    you made up his beliefs about using force against - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:48:28
                         Not at all, CD. I just called him out for his support of a - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:05:02
                              lol called me out - pickle MU - 10/12 14:06:58
     RE: Truths - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 12:55:50
     Opinions mislabeled (once again) as truths. - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:49:54
          Yo swamp, can we get the DH version of the declaration - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:19:07
               "We hold these truths to be self-evident" They literally - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 14:05:50
                    what does "evident" mean?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 14:19:30
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:06:13
          Nothing i stated is opinion - pickle MU - 10/12 13:11:47
          In your opinions, which is wrong? - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:10:01
               I did not say any were wrong. Just that none were facts. - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 14:01:48
                    all are facts (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:14:23
                         Megalomaniacs believe their opinions are facts. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:04:32
                              lol Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:40:34
               Lol. Easy. let the wordsmithing commence. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 13:20:36
                    slavery doesn’t negate natural rights - pickle MU - 10/12 13:34:53
                         Hilarious bullshyte. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 14:50:00
                         Should that make the slaves feel better? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:36:58
                    Rhay, slavery is an example of a right being infringed - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 13:33:41
                         I laugh at how hard you all try. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 14:52:17
                         Even if it is not against the law - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:35:03
                              Super, and the so what is? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:39:05
                    Slavery is anti rights - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:29:13
     wrong board. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 12:43:20
     counterpoint: - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 12:40:15
          well **** (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 12:40:49




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