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He took over MU in 1967

Posted on: July 12, 2023 at 11:34:22 CT
FIJItiger MU
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The Final Four didn't even exist as a thing until around 1978. It used to be that you had to be your conference champion to even participate in the tournament. The tournament didn't expand to 64 teams with a comparable structure of at large bids until the mid-1980s. He coached in a different era where you are trying to retroactively apply the benchmarks of today's success to a period when that wasn't applicable and the structure has changed considerably.

He didn't reach the Final Four because it was towards the end of his career that was even a thing and his focus which aligned with the focus of his era was to win his conference championship. Nobody strove to make Final Fours then.

Norm had a bad tourney loss in 1990. And bad but to lesser degree losses in 1983 and 1987. Otherwise he has a pretty good overall NCAA tournament resume.

Edited by FIJItiger at 11:37:42 on 07/12/23
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                    both are Final Four coaches, unlike your hero Norm (nm) - zounami A - 7/12 10:00:12
                         RE: both are Final Four coaches, unlike your hero Norm (nm) - Ragarm MU - 7/13 09:26:16
                         FYI, Frank Martin reached the Final Four - FIJItiger MU - 7/12 11:40:37
                              yes, even Frank Martin was able to (nm) - zounami A - 7/12 22:10:47
                         Agreed. Norm was a considerably better coach than both(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 7/12 10:50:24
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                              RE: No, I personally consider that seperate - Ragarm MU - 7/13 09:29:47
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                                             He took over MU in 1967 - FIJItiger MU - 7/12 11:34:22
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