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Posted on: September 15, 2022 at 12:33:02 CT
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While the first debate over slavery at the Constitutional Convention concerned representation (see Article I, Section 2, Clause 3), the second debate arose when Southern delegates objected that an unrestricted congressional power to regulate commerce could be used against Southern commercial interests to restrict or outlaw the slave trade. That the resulting provision was an important compromise is underscored by the fact that the clause stands as the first independent restraint on congressional powers, prior even to the restriction on the power to suspend the writ of habeas corpus.

Taking Southern concerns into consideration, the draft proposed by the Committee of Detail (chaired by John Rutledge of South Carolina) dealt with trade issues as well as those relating to slavery. The draft permanently forbade Congress to tax exports, to outlaw or tax the slave trade, or to pass navigation laws without two-thirds majorities in both houses of Congress. Several delegates strongly objected to the proposal, including Gouverneur Morris, who delivered one of the Convention’s most spirited denunciations of slavery, calling it a “nefarious institution” and “the curse of heaven.”

When the issue came up for a vote, the Southern delegates themselves were sharply divided. George Mason of Virginia condemned the “infernal traffic,” and Luther Martin of Maryland saw the restriction on Congress’s power over the slave trade as “inconsistent with the principles of the Revolution and dishonorable to the American character.” But delegates from Georgia and South Carolina announced that they would not support the Constitution without the restriction, with Charles Pinckney arguing that failing to include the clause would trigger “an exclusion of South Carolina from the Union.”

This same divide had also occurred in debating the Declaration of Independence. Though that document proclaimed the central principle of the Revolution that all men are created equal, a draft clause specifically condemning the slave trade was dropped based on Southern objections.

At the Constitutional Convention, the serious split caused by Southern insistence was referred to the Committee of Eleven (chaired by William Livingston of New Jersey), which took the opposite position from Rutledge and recognized a congressional power over the slave trade, but recommended that it be restricted for twelve years, though allowing a tax on slave importation. Although that was a significant change from the Committee of Detail’s original proposal, Southern delegates accepted the new arrangement but with the extension of the time period to twenty years, from 1800 to 1808.

Agitation against the slave trade was the leading cause espoused by the antislavery movement at the time of the Constitutional Convention, so it is not surprising that this clause was the most immediately controversial of the so-called slave clauses of the proposed Constitution (see also Article I, Section 2, Clause 3; Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3; and Article V). Although some denounced the Migration or Importation Clause as a major concession to slavery interests, most begrudged it to be a necessary and prudent compromise. Roger Sherman of Connecticut stated “better to let the southern states import slaves than to part with those states.” James Madison argued at the Convention that the twenty-year exemption was “dishonorable,” but in The Federalist No. 42, he declared that it was “a great point gained in favor of humanity that a period of twenty years may terminate forever, within these States” what he called an “unnatural traffic” that was “the barbarism of modern policy.”
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Sitting in the hotel with the news on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:05:07
     They probably thought "Jackpot" when getting off the bus - shorty MU - 9/15 11:53:01
          Maybe they're illegals from - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 12:25:10
     Who is paying for this transport and what's it costing? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 11:27:42
          far less than welfare, housing, and education for starters. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:52:40
               good argument for a socialist - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:53:12
                    Oh wait, let's all hold hands and wish for govt to vanish! - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:00:08
                         War, rape , starvation end today! - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:06:53
                              hmmm... your voting didn't work either - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:28:32
                         You just to not understand the genius of non-participation - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:02:40
                              what is it, exactly, that you think I'm on board with? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:07:35
                                   Are you not one of the non-participation advocates? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:09:49
                                        If you embraced nonparticipation - pickle MU - 9/15 12:43:32
                                             and being in his current one, means he couldn't get a real - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:44:55
                                        He's more like a convenient excuse maker for them. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:26:12
                                             Irony - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/15 12:30:19
                         strawman - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:01:27
          Probably the state gov't - Sal CMSU - 9/15 11:52:04
          They asked these question when Biden was flying them - shorty MU - 9/15 11:49:01
          Whatever the number may be it is significantly less than - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 11:37:01
               Would you happen to know if tax money is used to pay for - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:44:20
               ^says the welfare recipient (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:43:07
                    Congrats, you are getting very close to JG levels of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:00:45
                         are you not a public school teacher? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 12:13:17
                              Yes, despite your ignorant ramblings teachers are paid - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:21:34
                                   So you’re a welfare recipient - pickle MU - 9/15 12:44:30
                                   so you're a welfare recipient... why are you so defensive - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:27:58
                                   It's the Asperger's (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/15 12:23:55
               Not indeterminate...transitory. nm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:38:02
          That's a fair question and i asked it myself. Just as I'm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:33:25
          If the state government is paying pennies to save dollars - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:28:28
               How could they be saving money - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:35:37
                    The longer they stay there the more they cost - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:39:22
     These are people - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:18:57
          Why should they be allowed in s country that's not their own - TigerFan92 STL - 9/15 11:29:45
               At one time they were all holy fetuses.(nm) - Toger STL - 9/15 11:38:07
               freedom and liberty (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:36:36
                    Is there not freedom and liberty in martha's vineyard? non - hokie VT - 9/15 11:38:58
                         never been there (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:41:24
                              But you've been to all the border towns in texas, arizona, - hokie VT - 9/15 11:47:09
                                   they aren’t illegals. again, read the Constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:55:48
                                        Read the state constitutions (nm) - tman MU - 9/15 12:26:56
                                   no, weird question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:49:59
                                        You couldn't answer about whether martha's has freedom - hokie VT - 9/15 11:56:32
                                             you see people as human garbage. wow - pickle MU - 9/15 12:00:39
                                             you're confused (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:00:18
                                                  Can you explain or is that all you have? nm - hokie VT - 9/15 12:01:08
                                                       you would just confuse the explanation, too - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:02:27
                                                            Good thing you're here to defend the cowardice of swamp rat, - hokie VT - 9/15 12:07:53
                                                                 You’re a liar and a coward(nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 12:48:46
                                                                 you're in no position to call anyone else a coward - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:25:48
                                                       I can, but you're a troll - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:01:59
          Sending people to the cities who have identified themselves - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:26:23
               Those places aren’t that though - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:34:25
                    Chicago, NY and DC are precisely that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:36:19
     again, immigration is not a constitutional power - pickle MU - 9/15 11:17:27
          Quick call DHS they think they are involved - mu7176grad MU - 9/15 11:32:50
               abolish the DHS (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:53:05
               that’s a lazy, stupid reply (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:41:08
          Again.. You are 100% wrong(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:26:56
               Educate yourself - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 11:28:23
                    Maybe discuss instead of decreeing what you wish were true. - hokie VT - 9/15 11:36:03
                         I have shown them the exact Clause and SCOTUS ruling - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:37:57
                              That's all they have. Their feelings are their laws. nm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:40:01
                                   read the Constitution, phony patriot (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:41:41
                                        You are an illiterate apparently - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:53:14
                                   Asshat tried...but he failed to actually read the article - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:41:37
                                        I guess when you've been beaten, you can always lie - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:46:30
                                             This is a discussion board. You see it as a competition. - hokie VT - 9/15 11:51:07
                                                  you're projecting again, retard (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:52:12
                                             Try again.... Why did you ignore these posts? - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:49:14
                    You need to take your advice. SCOTUS ruled it was - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:33:06
                    he tried. went to kU. failed learning anything - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:29:27
                         You are very dumb - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:36:31
                              says the guy that tried to use the Migration and Importation - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:43:17
                                   SCOTUS ruled that 'slaves are not migrants' and that - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:48:41
                                        the SCOTUS was wrong - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:49:07
                                             In what world is a slave a Migrant? Do tell! - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:50:08
                                                  wouldn't someone being forced to migrate, not be a migrant? - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:03:42
                                                       No.. a slave would be an import(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:06:21
                                                            not all of them (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 13:08:28
                                                                 It is for terms of this clause.... it deals with importation - Spanky KU - 9/15 16:05:48
                                                                      wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 16:47:25
                                                            what's the difference between an import and a migrant?(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:11:25
                                                                 A slave is not a migrant. A slave is property - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:12:52
                                                                      slaves are people(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:15:42
                                                                           They were property and excluded as people - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:20:10
                                                                                I was responding to your "in what world" post - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:22:51
                                                                                     Migrant has a definition - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:28:59
                                                                                          of course that's not why they move, they are forced - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:43:00
                                                                                               They were imported as property... they were not - Spanky KU - 9/15 13:40:13
                                                                                          RE: Migrant has a definition - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:33:02
                                                                                               You are so dumb. Per SCOTUS: - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:36:10
                                                                                                    the dumb one is the guy taking the SCOTUS's incorrect ruling - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:38:35
                                                                                                         You are the dumb@$$ who thinks a slave is a migrant - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:41:20
                                                                                                              now you're just doubling down on your ignorance - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:42:08
                                                                                                                   Nope. You fail to learn - Spanky KU - 9/15 13:01:02
                                                                                                                        projection (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 13:03:38
                                                  the clause addressed slaves - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:51:51
                                                       he’s not worth it (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:56:23
                                                            he's far too dishonest, I know (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:58:33
                                                       and Migrants..... Slaves are not Migrants - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:53:54
                                                            what was the reason it was adopted in the first place? - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:56:12
                                                                 To control Migration and Importation of people - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:04:22
                                                                      wrong! - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:04:53
                                                                           Why are you so very, very ignorant? - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:26:02
                                                                                you don't even know the history of it or why it was included - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:26:50
                                                                                     Yes... you are very, very ignorant(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:29:36
                                                                                          you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:35:11
                                                                           Why was Migration included in the clause? - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:05:41
                                                                                I'm not here to spoon feed you - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:26:09
                                                                                     You refuse to be educated and are too ignorant to ever - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:30:02
                                                                                          I already am, unlike you - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:34:56
                                                                                               No... you are clearly an idiot(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:41:46
                                                                                                    there are 4 idiots in this thread - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:43:14
                                                                                                         and you are the remaining 3 - Spanky KU - 9/15 14:28:09
                                                                                                              wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 14:57:08
                                                                                                                   Are you all 4???? - Spanky KU - 9/15 15:06:30
                                                                                                                        wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 16:47:06
                              I actally think ummm would post here more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:42:07
                                   stop projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:43:46
          Not relevant. The State of Texas is offering the - tman MU - 9/15 11:23:01
     RE: Sitting in the hotel with the news on - Th8tnTiger MU - 9/15 11:17:23
          Exactly - their hypocrisy on open display - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:27:42
     is this another one of those days where you post the same - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:06:27
          that's exactly what the pickle cult does every day here. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:41:04
               if I wanted the retarded take, I would have asked you - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:45:42
                    Brilliant comeback. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:49:52
                         probably over your head, agreed (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:52:31
          Any comments on the post? I thought diversity is our - hokie VT - 9/15 11:28:19
               I did the first 10 times it was posted - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:28:47
          is this another one of those days where you whine about - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:10:40
               sounds like you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:12:09
                    how many of the voices in your head are telling you that? - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:13:50
                         just the one when I read your post - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:14:41
                              So you are possed by a female demon. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:27:24
                                   that post reads like a squeaky femboi, too - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:28:22
                                        So you also have a femboi demon. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:30:11
                                             there it is again - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:30:33
                                                  I don't control your demons' voices in your head. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:36:57
                                                       it's just how your feminine posts sound - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:44:19




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