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Posted on: June 1, 2021 at 10:52:56 CT
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Our government has been spying for decades, and the Patriot Act took that to a whole new level. The Patriot Act was basically fully supported by both parties as well as each of its renewals, and set up FISA (which has a very weak review process), as well as better coordination of spying both domestically and internationally.

There seems to be a lot of proof that government will manufacture data (or allow in manufactured data) and then tout that data as evidence for various actions.

I think Pickle has also pointed out well when the government does undercover/covert stuff, it becomes quite blurry as to who is actually planning and coordinating "attacks" and how much of that would have truly occurred, or was it government doing much of the coordination so they could have an arrest right before it happened.

This deep state has been slowly getting exposed, and Trump vowed to take it on. He went after the part that tried to go after him, but then used it to his own advantage as well, and did nothing to stop the system, and as I said..he signed its extension without even any new checks and balances.

So when it comes to "security" issues..yes..I believe it to be a system issue in which both R and D fully participate in it.

Thanks to Trump, spending also seems now to be the exact same thing...thanks to his trillions in extra spending.
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Obama/Biden spied on US allies - Spanky KU - 6/1 10:03:52
     They also spied on all Americans - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/1 10:45:26
          link?(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/1 11:40:36
     Snowden leaked the spying on Merkel many years ago - Ace AU - 6/1 10:18:37
          yes, it said that in the article posted (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:55:20
          And Obama/Biden continued spying on allies even after - Spanky KU - 6/1 10:40:18
     They also had US allies spy on the Trump campaign - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:05:28
          Obama spid on the Trump campaign: Obama will go down as one - BH O'bonga MU - 6/1 10:18:02
          lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:10:38
               Here, I'll get it out of the way for you - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:13:12
                    That's some good meatin'(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 6/1 10:22:12
                    It is not about Trump - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:20:48
                         The specific OP was about Obama - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:25:38
                              Of course you won't - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:29:41
                                   Then why even post on the board - mizzouSECedes STL - 6/1 10:35:08
                                   "when it was not at all" ... yes it was - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:31:57
                                        Of courser it was not about general abuse of power - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:37:30
                                             spanky is a pure partisan with a single issue override (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/1 10:51:42
                                             So if a poster doesn't post something about gov't - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:43:37
                                                  Depends on the post/subject - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:52:56
                                                       That's fair, but when something new comes out - Sal CMSU - 6/1 10:57:56
                                                            I take into account who posts it - meatiger MU - 6/1 11:03:04
                                                            the obama/trump comparison was in the OP (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/1 11:02:05
                                                                 Trump was mentioned - Sal CMSU - 6/1 11:13:41
                                   and the OP also brought up - meatiger MU - 6/1 10:30:12
                              RE: The spanky OP was about Obama - Toger STL - 6/1 10:28:25
                    Promises, promises.(nm) - Toger STL - 6/1 10:19:26




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