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43.4% Capital Gains tax? Seriously, Robinette?

Posted on: April 23, 2021 at 11:04:22 CT
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For $1 million earners in high-tax states, rates on capital gains could be above 50%. For New Yorkers, the combined state and federal capital gains rate could be as high as 52.22%. For Californians, it could be 56.7%.

https://www.ocregister.com/2021/04/22/biden-eyeing-capital-gains-tax-as-high-as-43-4-for-wealthy/

President Joe Biden will propose almost doubling the capital gains tax rate for wealthy individuals to 39.6% to help pay for a raft of social spending that addresses long-standing inequality, according to people familiar with the proposal.

For those earning $1 million or more, the new top rate, coupled with an existing surtax on investment income, means that federal tax rates for wealthy investors could be as high as 43.4%. The new marginal 39.6% rate would be an increase from the current base rate of 20%, the people said on the condition of anonymity because the plan is not yet public.

A 3.8% tax on investment income that funds Obamacare would be kept in place, pushing the tax rate on returns on financial assets higher than rates on some wage and salary income, they said.

Stocks slid the most in more than a month on the news, with the S&P 500 Index down 0.7% as of 2:57 p.m. after climbing 0.2% earlier. Ten-year Treasury yields erased gains.

The proposal could reverse a long-standing provision of the tax code that taxes returns on investment lower than on labor. Biden campaigned on equalizing the capital gains and income tax rates for wealthy individuals, saying it’s unfair that many of them pay lower rates than middle-class workers.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, asked about the capital-gains plan at a press briefing Thursday, said, “we’re still finalizing what the pay-fors look like.” Biden is expected to release the proposal next week as part of the tax increases to fund social spending in the forthcoming “American Families Plan.”

Other measures that the administration has discussed in recent weeks include enhancing the estate tax for the wealthy. Biden has warned that those earning over $400,000 can expect to pay more in taxes. The White House has already rolled out plans for corporate tax hikes, which go to fund the $2.25 trillion infrastructure-focused “American Jobs Plan.”

Republicans have insisted on retaining the 2017 tax cuts implemented by former President Donald Trump, and argued the current capital-gains framework encourages saving and promotes future economic growth.

“It’s going to cut down on investment and cause unemployment,” Chuck Grassley of Iowa, a top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee and former chair of that panel, said of the Biden capital-gains plan. He lauded the result of the 2017 tax cuts, and said, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

GOP lawmakers on Thursday called for repurposing previously appropriated, unused pandemic-relief funds to help pay for their counteroffer infrastructure plan. The group underlined opposition to tax hikes, other than a potential revamp of the levies that go toward highway funding in a way that would cover electric vehicles.

Biden will detail the American Families Plan in a joint address to Congress on April 28. It is set to include a wave of new spending on children and education, including a temporary extension of an expanded child tax credit that would give parents up to $300 a month for young children or $250 for those six and older. The capital gains increase would raise $370 billion over a decade, according to an estimate from the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center based on Biden’s campaign platform.

For $1 million earners in high-tax states, rates on capital gains could be above 50%. For New Yorkers, the combined state and federal capital gains rate could be as high as 52.22%. For Californians, it could be 56.7%.

Democrats have said current capital gains rates largely help top earners who get their income through investments rather than in the form of wages, resulting in lower tax rates for wealthy people than those they employ.

Capital gains taxes are paid when an asset is sold, and are applied to the amount of appreciation on the asset from when it was bought to when it is sold. Congressional Democrats have separately proposed a series of changes to capital-gains taxation, including imposing the levies annually instead of when they are sold.
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43.4% Capital Gains tax? Seriously, Robinette? - Spanky KU - 4/23 11:04:22
     Democrats are evil people. 51% allows me to take your stuff - Coors4bob MU - 4/23 15:10:04
     So I better sell all my rentals now - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/23 13:02:43
     Government has first claim on all money in the US - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 4/23 11:47:31
     my take - Emoji Man MSU - 4/23 11:27:28
          Problem is we both know they will run out of rich people. - Coors4bob MU - 4/23 15:11:02
          RE: my take - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/23 11:38:37
     More theft. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:21:24
     The annual taxation of capital gains is disturbing. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 11:12:43
          there is no capital gain triggered if still holding - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:22:37
               That's the current situation. you missed change - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 11:38:38
                    I think you're confused - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:39:27
                         Read the last paragraph. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 11:42:00
                              That's unlikely to get into Biden's proposal. The power - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:44:21
                                   There has been discussion about him eliminating 1031 - MUTGR MU - 4/23 12:55:56
                                   The problem is in raising taxes that high, for "equity" - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 12:00:41
                                        You’re the one who said “sadly that’s not true” - pickle MU - 4/23 12:02:50
                                             don't you have another stabby criminal or two to defend? - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 12:11:28
                                        Yes. With rare exception, taxes burden the middle class the - ummmm MU - 4/23 12:02:34
               Warren was discussing taxing unrealized gains. Don’t think - Emoji Man MSU - 4/23 11:26:45
                    how exactly does that work for assets - o'lineydisciple MU - 4/23 14:08:51
                    That would be insane as those fluctuate on a daily - HandBanana MU - 4/23 11:57:25
                    yeah, her wealth tax insanity (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:28:36
               I thought that was - Rabbit Test MU - 4/23 11:23:01
     So people who buy and sell stocks should pay a lower rate - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/23 11:11:56
          Maybe we should lower income tax rates - DC Jayhawk KU - 4/23 11:58:36
               That would be too smart - Spanky KU - 4/23 12:12:59
          RE: So people who buy and sell stocks should pay a lower rate - BH O'bonga MU - 4/23 11:38:23
          also, the wealthy you want to target for more tax revenue - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:34:38
          Yes, money being invested has already been taxed (nm) - Sal CMSU - 4/23 11:31:44
          They already paid income tax on the money they’re investing(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 4/23 11:30:21
          Wage earners invest too, dumb ass. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/23 11:28:46
               Not in daskapitalland. There are classes of people. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:31:03
          what risk does a wage earner take? (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:24:18
               Also sole proprietorships pay this rate and take significant - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/23 11:26:24
                    gamble? - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:28:14
                    The nuances of organized mass theft. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:27:54
          All taxes should be eliminated, of course. - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:20:57
               Is interest theft? Is compound interest more theft?(nm) - glue MU - 4/23 11:25:21
                    In a contract between two private parties? No. - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:26:18
          Yes. The invested money has already been taxed and has - Spanky KU - 4/23 11:20:34
          Yes, you ignorant troll. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/23 11:15:48
               This is not the right approach to stand up for less taxes. - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:22:10
               Hedge fund people don't create jobs in any meaningful - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/23 11:21:02
                    of course they do - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:25:52
                         They just game the system. They don't provide meaningful - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/23 11:30:59
                              how are they "gaming the system"? - ashtray UF - 4/23 11:32:34
                              Let's add hedge funds to the list of things you do not - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:32:09
                    That's not always the case. - ummmm MU - 4/23 11:25:09
     won't happen, it's an initial negotiating position (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/23 11:10:33
     I don't think so - Rabbit Test MU - 4/23 11:09:17




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