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That we don't really know with any degree of certainty

Posted on: April 7, 2021 at 15:24:00 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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what the long term ramifications are of the vaccine. We don't even know if it is good for 6 months, 1 year, forever, etc. Why? 10 months ago it didn't exist. Most vaccines go through a 10-12 year clinical trial. Doctors will tell you the only reason they are saying it is safe is that they have not seen reactions outside of what would be expected, and the dire reactions cannot be tied directly to the vaccine.

Being a healthy male under 65, COVID provides almost no risk to me. I will take my chances there.
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ae anti-maskers also anti-vaxers? If you're mask agnostic, - Ace A - 4/7 15:06:38
     Had the rona in early November - Tigerfish MU - 4/7 16:37:16
     I had COVID in November. I had the first dose of Pfizer a - TigerMatt - 4/7 16:03:35
     jury is out on vaccine. Masks are useless.(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 4/7 15:52:12
          Vaccines have robust, double-blind, randomized - dangertim MU - 4/7 15:57:26
               So good u have to wear a mask and social distance after gett - TigerFan92 STL - 4/7 21:51:20
               we have to wait 10-12 years(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/7 16:02:23
                    That's what phase 4 trials are for. No pharmaceutical is hel - dangertim MU - 4/7 16:05:15
                         These will probably prove out to be some of the safest - JG MU - 4/7 16:11:37
                              Thank Trump(nm) - tman MU - 4/7 16:22:43
                                   LOL no - JG MU - 4/7 16:26:52
                                        Ok. Yiu only lied twice in the posr(nm) - tman MU - 4/7 16:45:50
                                             No lying POS - JG MU - 4/7 16:52:02
                         agreed - meatiger MU - 4/7 16:10:48
               not "in 4TigersinMichigan's mind" (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:01:34
          On what do you base that opinion?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/7 15:54:11
               not an opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 16:02:19
               Masks are of little use per NIH - Spanky KU - 4/7 15:58:34
                    The issue then, is the quality of the mask, not - GA Tiger MU - 4/7 16:05:47
                         The masks that CDC insisted Americans use are of - Spanky KU - 4/7 16:21:08
     20% of nurses in the US have refused the COVID Vaccine - Spanky KU - 4/7 15:50:35
          you’re being dishonest (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 16:03:10
               we call that ...Spanky(nm) - JG MU - 4/7 16:04:17
                    Glass houses(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/7 16:05:58
                         You would have a point if you could without lying - JG MU - 4/7 16:07:14
                              was it dishonesty or poor reading comprehension? - SwampTiger MU - 4/7 16:12:01
                                   neither - JG MU - 4/7 16:13:33
                                        maybe both (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/7 16:16:32
                                             attention whoring narcissism (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 16:24:47
                                                  Swamp tiger ain't that bad he;s just an idiot liar - JG MU - 4/7 16:27:25
                                                       please don’t misrepresent my posts - pickle MU - 4/7 16:49:05
                                                            lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/7 16:58:01
                                             definitely not either - JG MU - 4/7 16:18:30
                              Tell me again how you were right about the - dangertim MU - 4/7 16:10:49
                                   I said he would get off totally free - JG MU - 4/7 16:12:44
          Do you always go with the lowest percentage? - mizzoumurfkc KC - 4/7 15:59:18
          Pro tiktok(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/7 15:57:51
          violation - JG MU - 4/7 15:52:16
     They are the same type of people - mizzoumurfkc KC - 4/7 15:47:07
     Masks don't work and I wouldn't take that so-called vax, - MUTGR MU - 4/7 15:38:50
          Trump taint? - JG MU - 4/7 15:39:36
               Gov't tells you to take it so like a good boy you take it. n - MUTGR MU - 4/7 15:40:21
                    another qball lie - JG MU - 4/7 15:41:14
     No(nm) - Spanky KU - 4/7 15:35:21
     I have no plans or desire to take the vaccine - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:08:55
          I'm going to let all the moron doomsdayers get it first - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 15:53:31
               Getting struck is 1 in 1,222,000 - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:58:55
                    Yeah like I said - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 16:01:38
                         you suck at math (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:05:59
                              no you're just a dumb ass(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 16:09:52
                                   well yeah - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:13:12
                                        what are my odds of dying of the kung flu(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 16:15:53
                                             RE: what are my odds of dying of the kung flu(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:18:30
                                                  lol now look at all the assumptions put in place - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 16:21:58
                                                       Let's see - 550K have died of covid since the pandemic - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:43:30
                                                            Did because of covid or with - tman MU - 4/7 16:54:02
                                                            I'm not talking about everyone else moron - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 16:49:40
                                                                 does individually include all your handles - JG MU - 4/7 17:25:32
                                                       Here is your dilemna - JG MU - 4/7 16:29:09
          LOL - mizzoumurfkc KC - 4/7 15:26:57
          lol (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 15:17:36
          "in my mind"...lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:15:58
               OK - tell me the work you have done to disprove what I - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:16:56
                    RE: OK - tell me the work you have done to disprove what I - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:47:01
                         You are pointing to death statistics for a vaccine that has - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:50:03
                              and you are ignoring death and sickness statistics for covid - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:51:34
                                   No, I am using those statistics - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:52:58
                                        most men of your age - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:54:45
                                             I never said it would - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:05:19
                                                  no benefit except keeping from you getting covid - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:07:44
                                                       It doesn't keep you from getting it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:08:43
                                                            Wrong, it is highly (but not perfectly) effective at - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:12:05
                                                                 So as I said - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 17:37:21
                                                                      95% of the time it does (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 18:17:07
                                                                           So it doesn't prevent you from getting it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 18:35:12
                                                  How is there no benefit? - meatiger MU - 4/7 16:07:16
                                                       So I get COVID - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:08:12
                                                            you said there was no benefit - meatiger MU - 4/7 16:12:44
                                                                 the only "reasons" he has are feelings and biases (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:30:44
                              you are pointing out death statistics - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:51:16
                         would be interested in that .017% you cite - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:49:55
                              I was taking worse case scenario - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:52:19
                              So there is evidence the vaccine may not cause immediate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:51:59
          lol - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:13:58
               What is so funny about that?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:15:54
                    there have been about 700M doses of vaccine given - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:18:10
                         Speaking of long. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/7 15:20:43
                              Umm, vaccines are old technology - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:23:43
                                   Not mRNA. nm. - MUTGR MU - 4/7 15:44:39
                                   I'm not scared of it at all. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/7 15:39:49
                                        I am not scared of it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:41:33
                                             So your demographic is 65 and healthy - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:43:13
                                                  I don't believe so, unless they find the vaccine absolutely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:46:33
                                                       RE: I don't believe so, unless they find the vaccine absolutely - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:47:20
                                                            Not at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:48:43
                                                                 lol - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 15:52:02
                                   But just because one vaccine is safe that does not mean - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:25:43
                                        sorry, kids. we’re going to wait 10-12 years - pickle MU - 4/7 15:35:20
                                             Kids aren't at risk for covid, they were for polio. nm. - MUTGR MU - 4/7 15:47:24
                                                  whoosh (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 16:08:17
                                                  And older people , like smugs, are vulnerable(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/7 16:07:41
                                        J&J vaccine is not mRNA nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/7 15:27:24
                                             That is true - one is not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:28:33
                                                  Actually more like a year of data. There were some trials - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/7 15:40:25
                                                       We simply don't know - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:42:17
                                                            I preferred the vaccine to getting COVID and/or dealing with - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/7 15:44:20
                                                                 That is a decision each person should make for themselves(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:47:51
                                                                      Sure, but I don't think your decision is based on fact. I - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/7 15:57:14
                                                                           I am not at all scared about the virus so why would I take - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:06:22
                                                                                if you are not scared about the vaccine - meatiger MU - 4/7 16:15:17
                                                                                     Because it is a reason not to get it if you truly have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 17:38:16
                                                  lol (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:30:24
                                                       Again, how is that funny? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:32:10
                                                            Because you just moved the goalposts - pickle MU - 4/7 15:37:22
                                                            what's funny is "in your mind" vaccines are riskier than - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:34:26
                                                                 In my demographic, should I even get COVID, I may not even - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:40:47
                                                                      LOL - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 15:43:25
                                                                           We know that with far more certainty than we know putting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:47:20
                                                                                "We" do? You have data to back that up? (nm) - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 15:48:45
                                                                                     Yes, we have a great deal of worldwide data on those who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:54:05
                                                                                          None of it knowing long term effects. - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 15:59:31
                                                                                               not "in 4TigersinMichigan's mind" (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:02:15
                                                                                          and we've had nearly 700M doses of the vaccine administered - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:56:30
                                                                                               And for me, the vaccine really offers nothing as opposed to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:07:31
                                                                                                    Jesus, lol (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:08:24
                                                                                                         You seem to think it keeps you from getting COVID - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 16:09:22
                                                                                                              You clearly need to educate yourself on the vaccines. - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 16:31:37
                                                                                                                   Does the vaccine keep you from getting COVID? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 17:39:38
                                                                                                              it does for the vast majority of people - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 16:14:08
                                                                                                                   It may in fact lessen the chances - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 17:40:06
                                                                                     he has emotion and "his mind" - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:50:33
                                                                           but, remember, it is all "in his mind". There is no - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:45:49
                                                                      I'm thinking at age 65, your worst case is a bit more than - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:41:43
                                                                           he’s 65? - pickle MU - 4/7 16:09:57
                                                                           And if someone is older, in poor health or both, they should - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:42:59
                                                                                you must like masks and restrictions and such - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:44:50
                                        you're a big pussy (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:26:33
                                             And you have been shown to be an ignorant fool - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:27:57
                                                  So take the J&J one if you are afraid of mRNA - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:30:05
                                                       What is traditional, proven vaccine technology? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:32:46
                                                            Viral Vector vaccines have been used for 50 years - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:40:53
                                                                 You seem to think vaccines are like soda - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:44:45
                         That is fine if your only concern is allergic reaction - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:20:10
                              what's your concern then, if not allergic reaction? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:21:09
                                   That we don't really know with any degree of certainty - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:24:00
                                        You do not know with any degree of certainty that if you get - kmawv8 KC - 4/7 15:41:25
                                             he admitted it..it is just "in his mind"(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/7 15:43:17
                                        “Most vaccines go through a 10-12 year clinical trial” - pickle MU - 4/7 15:34:06
                                        RE: That we don't really know with any degree of certainty - TigerJackSwartz MU - 4/7 15:24:27
                                             Read my response to this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/7 15:26:50
                                   RE: what's your concern then, if not allergic reaction? (nm) - pickle MU - 4/7 15:23:43
          ^^Vax-Toxic^^ - Ace A - 4/7 15:11:16
          iF i THOUGHT i WOULD GET A REASONED ANSWER - JG MU - 4/7 15:11:03
               Uh he hasn't read a post of yours in nearly a decade - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 15:14:21
                    Busted him just two days ago for that lie - JG MU - 4/7 15:16:14
                         lol no you didn't - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 15:17:05
                              He was lying about what I said about Fauci - JG MU - 4/7 15:20:21
                                   No one lies like Ragliar nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/7 15:25:15
                                        many lie as stupidly as him but few - JG MU - 4/7 15:38:24
                                   No he wasn't but keep lyin - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/7 15:21:34
                                        imiitation , no matter how delusional, - JG MU - 4/7 15:23:30




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