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A wasted vote is still a vote

Posted on: March 9, 2021 at 09:58:29 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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And that is the opposite of the argument that non-participation is the only moral choice. Something that has been stated here many times.
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I will repost this as it helps to understand just how silly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:23:51
     Is the gunman COVID, and the third person an anti-masker?(nm) - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:11:37
          BOOM! (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:28:02
     the shooter is responsible, dipshyt (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:10:29
     IF I were the gunman, I'd shoot the smug guy telling me to - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:02:48
          He needs to go back and watch The Dark Knight scene - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 10:12:02
     What if the gunman was lying and shot the kid because - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:55:07
          don't do this. This was a carefully crafted situation - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:58:37
          You are correct - you cannot guarantee the actions of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:56:08
               what a stupid and absurd conclusion (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:11:18
               Yet when people tell you - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:58:25
                    Perhaps - or the shooter kills the child - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:00:01
               Not entertaining a criminal is a valid moral choice, - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:57:15
     Can't believe that those damn libertarians refuse to give - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:35:22
     The person who pulled the trigger is responsible for the - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:32:59
          Yes, of course - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:56
               Okay. Still doesn't change the fact of who is responsible - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:35:50
                    Never said it did or would - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:39:37
                         You implied it: - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:44:21
                              Aren't those of us who participate blamed for the state of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:46:00
                                   Possibly, but participation is an affirmative act. - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:06
                                        Few analogies are perfect - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:51:05
                                             you have to roll up your sleeves to vote? - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:15:44
                                                  don't want to get ink marks on your clothes(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:17:06
                                             Perfection is a different universe than your analogy. - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:13:14
                                                  They did what they were offered the opportunity to do(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:14:46
                                                       By a raving lunatic gunman with a gun to the head of a child - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:15:39
                                                            Not all opportunities are great choices - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:16:13
                                                                 you make a great bootlicker - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:23:46
                                                                 And "better of choices" = / = "responsible" - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:17:39
                                                                      No, just like in voting your vote may not matter in deciding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:19:47
                                                                           It is not remotely the same as the situation in the - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:21:27
                                                                                I respectfully disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:25:40
                                             Would voting for a third party - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:55
                                                  RE: Would voting for a third party - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 09:59:06
                                                       Our political arena - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:02:22
                                                            Can't argue with any of that...I want to, but I can't - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 10:14:30
                                                                 lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:39
                                                  So your question is would participating be the same as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:53:32
                                                       You have said that voting for a Libertarian - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:56:38
                                                            A wasted vote is still a vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:58:29
                                                                 because you lack understanding of non-participation - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:59:47
                                                                      Rejecting the argument is not the same as not understanding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:01:38
                                                                           It is showing how dumb your analogy is - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:07
                                                                                I do believe history would show it is a wasted vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:17:03
                                   Are you not the one that constantly says - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:18
                                        Yes, and we do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:49:00
                                             no, "we the people" make no decisions - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:34:42
                                             You really have the dumbest analogies(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:08
                                                  And you continue to offer nothing meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:54:06
                                                       you're the one providing amusement in this thread (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:03
                    In his example if you had the power to stop it and chose not - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:39:29
                         no (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:15
                         That's not for certain. But also, it doesn't change who is - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:43:30
                              You are wrong in 4Tigs example though. If you had said 'NO' - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:47:04
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:20
                                   That's not for certain. But again, it doesn't change who - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:44
                                   How do you know the gun would not have been fired?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:55
                                        I will never know unless I try, right? If I say no and he - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:07:40
                                             So..we should negotiate with terrorists..right?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:17
                                                  Do you even understand what negotiate means? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:52
                                                       You gave a simple scenario. They are doing everything in - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:17:46
                                                            now you're projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:55
                                                            That is pretty clear at this point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:24:31
                                                            LOL, that's rich. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:20:58
                                                            It was him that - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:19:06
                                                       ok..we should accept the terrorists demands - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:09:28
                                                            That is preposterous, even by your standards - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:10:34
                                                                 no, you're analogy is (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:45:27
                              And certainly politicians responsible for horrible policy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:45:06
               he wasn't guaranteed that chance(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:35:50
     You left out moral superiority. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/9 09:27:36
          you're retarded (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:11
     Non participation is a part of our system.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:26:30
          But the reality is this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:28:13
               false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:26
               You're not effectively doing anything of the sort. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:56:49
                    Agreed - and that is my point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:02:34
                         I just said it's absolutely not doing that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:04:13
                              Yes, there is something gained by not voting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:05:21
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:02
                                   That is only if they would have voted - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:07:13
                                        Every person who chooses not to vote is in practical - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:03
                                             incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:20
                                             LOL, keep saying it. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:12:43
                                                  I will always state facts regardless of how they are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:15:41
                                                       your opinion is not fact. FAIL (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:38
                                             not at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:55
                                                  Absolutely - every time(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:09:36
               Are you really that dumb? - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:38:38
                    yes, he really is - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:48:27
                    That is a typical meat post - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:41:16
                         I never claimed to be ummm - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:44:00
                              Of course not meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:47:22
               the reality is, nothing I could have done would have - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:31:26
                    No, it would have had a small impact. That is how our - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:36:00
                         false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:49:01
                         You are really clueless to our current system - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:43:20
                              We have the power, as voters, to change that system. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:58:30
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:51:15
                         zero impact (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:38:43
                         an individual vote doesn't change it either. You're - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:37:18
                              and a single snowflake does not cause an avalanche. But - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:43:33
                                   look up on how avalanches happen. It's never b/c - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:00:39
                                        Just like any case where a static object starts moving on - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:15:58
                                             tons of snow, not one. Usually though it's external forces - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:19:41
                                                  who is the lecturer here tim? that's right, not you (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 10:38:51
                                                  Snow does not fall tons at a time, it falls as single - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:33:53
                                                       it's a horrible analogy (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:55:03
                                   A few thousand votes in very specific states. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:59:54
                                        Does that change the fact that the power is there?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:08:45
                                             It's not the power you frame it to be - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:14:37
                    That is a different argument than saying there is viture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:03
                         oh yes, and your silly analogy didn't address that(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:41:12
                              Yes, because that is a different arguement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:44:17
                                   I meant your analogy didn't address the - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:46:13
                         Because you ether refuse to actually listen to the argument - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:39:21




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