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Jesus was always the Christ. Man's failure to understand

Posted on: September 6, 2020 at 16:02:19 CT
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His eternal postion didn't define or limit Him before, and it doesn't define or limit Him now.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." - John 1:1-14


"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?

And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?" - Hebrews 1


"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches." - Revelation 1


"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." -Acts 20:28


"The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.

“The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves." - Zechariah 12






Edited by MizzouTigerz at 16:08:56 on 09/06/20
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"From Jesus to Christ" on PBS right now - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 15:44:27
     Have been reading "Mohamed is a Pig", so no time for PBS. - BH O'bonga MU - 9/6 18:37:41
          Bark Bark - vmissouri MU - 9/6 18:40:41
     Great programs - vmissouri MU - 9/6 18:36:36
     In short, I would say he didn’t become Christ - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/6 16:19:35
          That is a story that evolved over hundreds of years - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 18:12:55
               No, your story is a fiction - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/6 18:34:35
     Love me sum jeebus (nm) - HandBanana MU - 9/6 16:03:33
     RE: "From Jesus to Christ" on PBS right now - MOCO SON MU - 9/6 16:03:05
          If Jesus thought he was God, then don't you think JUST MAYBE - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 18:13:47
          Ahhhh, he was pre-existent that way! - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 16:10:10
               If Jesus is God, and God is all knowing why did Jesus not - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:37:39
                    Jesus is God, and was living on earth as a man. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 21:15:24
               Why did Mark leave that part out? (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 18:14:28
                    Not every book has the same audience, not all of the same - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 20:57:38
     Jesus was always the Christ. Man's failure to understand - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 16:02:19
     Communists don’t believe in anything greater than - hokie VT - 9/6 15:55:27
          That's a fine reason i never gave a rat's for the commies(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 18:15:23
          you are ignorant (nm) - pickle MU - 9/6 16:01:25
          hokie - communists don't value "self" highly. you might - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 15:57:28
               You believe what they say, even when it contradicts - hokie VT - 9/6 16:24:55
                    Stalin and Mao were not communists.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:24:58
                    oh, i get it, we were talking about communism and you're - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:27:34
                    no, I understand what communism is (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:25:45
                         No wonder The Idiot idolizes you. You’re so much - hokie VT - 9/6 16:27:59
                              smart has nothing to do with it. go read a book or simple - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:31:53
               Of course they do. The root of their collective philosophy - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 16:17:28
                    no (nm) - pickle MU - 9/6 17:05:17
                    lmfao. nearly the first tenet of communism is to diminish se - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:23:24
                         The only reason for communist community is to put the - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/6 16:30:56
                              no (nm) - pickle MU - 9/6 17:05:37
                              I'm going to leave you with your ignorance. What's funny - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:35:15
                                   I don't disagree with some being drawn to communism because - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:24:19
               Lets assume he meant those who run it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 9/6 16:02:31
                    lol what? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/6 16:05:09
                    even less so, gods below you're ignorant - and that isn't - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 16:03:47
     wrong board (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 15:53:36
     wrong board (nm) - pickle MU - 9/6 15:50:23
     Yeah man, many of us will be flipping to that immediately. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 9/6 15:46:08
          Program is phenomal, scholars from Yale, Duke, BU, - raskolnikov MU - 9/6 18:28:07




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