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So your contention is that man is born bad and lives

Posted on: January 18, 2020 at 14:47:49 CT
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"good", outside his very nature, through the good works of parents and society who transform bad infants into good people?
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     Proven time and time again - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 16:19:09
          RE: Proven time and time again - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 16:58:23
               Ha ha ha ha ha - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:03:42
                    RE: Ha ha ha ha ha - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:10:42
                         RE: Ha ha ha ha ha - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:18:01
                              Good for you - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:39:35
                         That is a great idea and by and large that is what we have i - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:17:13
                              RE: That is a great idea and by and large that is what we have i - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:40:32
                                   AGAIN - I prefer children an the hungry to be fed - and I - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:43:10
          It's a big gun, not a benevolent nature, that assures - jonesin - 1/18 16:35:20
               you're just utterly lost (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:06:14
                    Lost on you, yes. nm - jonesin - 1/18 17:28:11
               We got out of Africa, established tribes and traveled across - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 16:59:51
                    What's this "we" shyte? In modern society "we" have many - jonesin - 1/18 17:26:22
                         YOU dissed man's benevolent nature in the OP - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:46:28
                              I agree. Man's nature hasn't changed at all. - jonesin - 1/18 18:07:26
     humans are quite obviously, generally cooperative and - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:46:42
          So do parents spend more time teaching their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:01:16
               Parents are humans. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/18 14:57:00
                    not until they learn about jesus (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:00:04
                         Your distaste for Christianity is duly noted. - jonesin - 1/18 15:22:33
                              remember, it's you who is arguing we are born as - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:33:18
                                   Nope. I was reinforcing my position. And using your distaste - jonesin - 1/18 15:47:17
                                        lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:48:34
                              we are beasts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:32:52
                              pick any religion (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:32:41
               4Tigs - so when your kids are bad adults, it's because you - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:45:51
                    There can be many reasons for that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:50:19
                         human nature is inherently cooperative - pickle MU - 1/18 15:03:03
                              Foolish and wrong. nm - jonesin - 1/18 15:28:45
                              i picture a class of pre-schoolers all knife-fighting if - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:10:22
                                   Be serious for a moment;.bullying in school isn't a problem? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:12:01
                                        it’s an individual problem - pickle MU - 1/18 18:58:04
                                        lol, yeah - those are the children not taught christianity. - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 18:54:19
                                   Yup. Lord of the Flies. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 16:53:09
                                   It's a direct result of people like you and Pickled who - jonesin - 1/18 15:28:03
                                        lol, my son's an awesome man, you really believe - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:35:11
                                             Then someone else instilled some virtue and morality in him - jonesin - 1/18 15:49:02
                                                  lol, the contortions required to sustain myth-believing. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:49:55
                         So you think humans don't grow out of those behaviors - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:59:24
                              Look at our inner cities with a breakdown of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:01:16
                                   RE: Look at our inner cities with a breakdown of the - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:01:51
                                        I never mentioned religion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:02:43
                                             it's implied and it doesn't alter the discussion at all -but - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:03:52
                                                  They wouldn't. Short answer. - jonesin - 1/18 15:30:08
                                                       lol - so the only good humans are those taught by - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:34:05
               lol, you're now thinking that w/o parents, humans would - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:43:03
                    Again, not the question at hand(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:51:00
               ...crickets... - jonesin - 1/18 14:11:26
                    lol, bro (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:49:30
                    The fact that some are taught and trained to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:16:32
                         I'm almost speechless that you think humans are only - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:43:49
                              I never said that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:51:39
                                   of course you did and it is (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:59:48
                         Exactly. I wonder how any semi-educated adult over the - jonesin - 1/18 14:21:30
                              so your contention here is that, left without adult interven - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:45:22
                                   The FACT that you would ask this question about human - jonesin - 1/18 15:15:01
                                        you didn't answer. Try to answer (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:15:31
                                   There is a reason every study shows that children who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:00:11
                                        And the reason isn't because humans are born bad and have - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:01:39
                                             Wha?! So their inherent nature is sociopathy? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:44:53
                                                  people become sociopathic if they are abused, unloved - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:49:32
                                                       So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:58:57
                                                            RE: So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:01:37
                                                                 Yeah, Baltimore was a ****hole in the 70s...wait - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:17:10
                                                                      are you having a conversation with yourself here abou - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 19:31:19
                                                                 RE: So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:12:42
                                                                      no Lou, go have a beer and fear your neighbors (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 19:58:15
                                                            lol, no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 16:52:33
                                                  lol, no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:48:50
                                             You answered your own question, dolt. And confirmed - jonesin - 1/18 15:17:20
          You are foolish if you really believe that. - jonesin - 1/18 13:58:49
               But NOTHING is more foolish than your comment below, - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 14:20:07
                    you've been wrong about the civil war your entire life (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:46:22
                         Here, learn something. If possible. - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:10:10
                              First, what does any of this have to do with being a Liberal - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:14:36
                                   I expect them to be brainwashed and willfully ignorant.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:46:16
                    GAT, you ought to know better. The WAR was a way for the - jonesin - 1/18 14:28:43
                         You totally proved my comment. - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 14:52:10
                              Who worked those plantations that were bought for pennies - jonesin - 1/18 15:40:36
                                   Answers to those questions do nothing to prove your - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:48:37
                              well, it also wouldn't have been fought if there weren't - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:15:08
     Gov't intervenes on the American Dream and ****s - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:21:54
          LOL! You too need a history lesson. As well as a little more - jonesin - 1/18 13:33:20
               I have never needed to instruct one person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:07:22
                    So human behavior is inherently bad, until and unless - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:47:08
                         Not all behavior is bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:53:13
                              because that's how your 3 year old behaves? LMFAO! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:00:35
                                   Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:02:02
                                        it largely isn't, 4Tigs. occasional selfishness or grabbing - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:09:08
                                             Parents correct and punish that behavior because it is - ummmm MU - 1/18 15:58:19
                                                  You MFer's are beyond reason. Pathologically indoctrinated. - jonesin - 1/18 16:19:12
                                                       What part of my last post do you disagree with? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/18 16:43:01
                                                       So God is inherently bad too? - glue MU - 1/18 16:26:14
                                                            Ever hear of the Tree of Knowledge? Since you brought - jonesin - 1/18 16:38:17
               every single aspect of your life is evidence of man - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:48:07
                    I would've probably killed a bunch of dudes if not for laws - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 14:05:18
                         me too. thank goodness my parents trained me to live - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:49:20
                              That and you prolly don't want to go to prison and get - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 16:23:29
                    AND IT IS THE LAW AGREED TO BY MEN! NOT NATURE. - jonesin - 1/18 14:00:20
                         So, if not for society's laws and your religion, all men are - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:48:50
               You should read the article Pickle posted below. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:40:37
                    Which one? The one I shot to Hell in three short paragraphs? - jonesin - 1/18 13:43:30
                         I have no idea, but if it was the really long one, I - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:45:46
                              The Mises post about the government leviathan? I read it. - jonesin - 1/18 13:48:47
                                   WOW, I just looked down the page. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:52:50
                                        90 is like you.. An idealist who makes a useful rube. - jonesin - 1/18 13:55:19
                                             do you walk out your door and fight people in the street - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:40:18
                                                  Some people do....they tend not to live in the burbs - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:53:09
                                                  Most people cooperate because it is mutually beneficial. Yes - jonesin - 1/18 14:46:54
                                                       So your contention is that man is born bad and lives - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:47:49
                                                            Straw man, if I may. Man doesn't have to be inherently "bad" - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 16:10:41
                                                                 lol, that was complicated (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:07:06
                                                                      It's actually quite simple, and evidenced from time - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:14:40
                                   that isn't a post about anarchy, lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:49:12
                                        No. It's a post about how our government has been morphed - jonesin - 1/18 13:53:34
                                             So let's say you're right, at least in your own mind. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:59:46
                                                  I go through the day knowing this to be true. But also - jonesin - 1/18 14:08:42
                                                       Oh, God. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 14:11:55
                                                            A lotta heartburn(nm) - glue MU - 1/18 16:55:33
                                                            I don't think he believes any of this nonsense; he's just - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:41:05
                                                                 No. I absolutely know it. And speaking of "dug in"... - jonesin - 1/18 14:54:40
                                                            I know, right? It would be much more FUN to be free like - jonesin - 1/18 14:18:06
                                                                 So if one has an aggressive lust for life - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 14:24:12
                                                                      Try a humble one. Nothing more rewarding than that my - jonesin - 1/18 14:30:24
                                                                           lol, you think that's what you're doing? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:41:35
                                                                                I try. nm - jonesin - 1/18 14:53:25




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