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Nonesense
Posted on: July 21, 2019 at 14:04:56 CT
JG
MU
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but I don't see how I can explain it to you guys with no free will to make conscious decisions, so its back to the Cardinals game
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I can't recommend this book enough
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 12:53:27
A better book...
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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7/21 16:13:16
Very annoying habit Toro
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raskolnikov
MU
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7/21 16:27:28
You have no self-awareness, do you?
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DoltfromSTL
MU
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7/21 18:30:43
I'm going to have a look at it.
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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7/21 14:22:53
Yeah, he has a hard on for religion
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:26:41
"Are you free to choose that which does not occur to you
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:44:27
When you discuss cognitive neuroscience to the general
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:26:17
Yeah, if you're trying to change someone's mind, which he
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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7/21 14:30:54
Video for those who don't read.
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:15:16
I don't see why that would obviate free will. One has
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GA Tiger
MU
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7/21 13:28:06
The thought to not act is still a product of the unconscious
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:30:49
Completely disagree. We may or may not control
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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7/21 14:12:14
“Refuse to accept it”
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meatiger
MU
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7/21 14:43:56
We do not all have the same genetic makeup. We do not have
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:47:27
But the action or nonaction comes from thoughts prior
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:28:54
What evidence is there of free will and that we are
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:17:41
Interesting. If thinking about something is unconscious
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GA Tiger
MU
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7/21 13:43:51
Also, based on prior conversations
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:51:20
I'm sure it has some interesting points. Though
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GA Tiger
MU
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7/21 15:16:31
Observe and witness
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:46:15
RE: I can't recommend this book enough
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:07:33
I'll watch that later
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:09:14
Sounds like Sammy wants to justify a guilty conscience
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:00:53
Why do you think that?(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:07:57
JG pays good money to have
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Ferg
STL
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7/21 13:17:09
LOL completely false
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:20:38
Over $10,000 for cult counseling
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:18:32
LOL Completely false
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:21:02
According to you, he says he can't control his
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:14:26
I didn't ask the right question
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:17:51
Let him explain how he can control unconscious thought(nm)
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:18:46
Done
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:21:42
Nor can you.(nm)
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:16:44
You can't controlt THAT you have unconscious thoughts
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:19:43
Please tell me how you can control UNCONSCIOUS
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:22:41
I just did
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:25:30
In no way did you.(nm)
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:26:32
OK let me help you out with an example
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:29:04
That is an incorrect conclusion. Your conscious mind
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:37:30
Your conscious mind does not make any choice
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:40:02
Yes.. it is an illusion. But JG seems to have a problem
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:44:19
Its not me having the problem here
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:47:07
You cannot prevent the unconscious thought. You have
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:47:52
You keep saying something I have already agreed to
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:54:53
You are missing the most important part.(nm)
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:57:35
No
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:01:18
That is total nonsense
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:43:58
You do think about choices that are made
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:48:41
Again that makes no sense
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:53:57
All thought arises from unconsciousness
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:58:47
Nonsense
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:02:58
The choices you are aware of are limited by unconscious
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:56:28
Sometimes choices have many more options
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:58:03
Again, you keep reaching conclusions never stated.
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:59:32
LOL what?
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:02:30
People make the right choice frequently
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:04:23
Again you are making false assumptions. If I my fingers off
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:47:09
So if you learn something, you are still not in control
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:56:50
You are not and never will be in control of unconscious
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:58:37
Nonesense
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:04:56
Thanks for taking the time to discuss it
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:07:34
I'm realizing I've used misleading terminology
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:00:45
Right. I am trying to get JG aware that he does not control
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:04:22
Agreed, I think making that distinction of what consciousnes
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:06:01
THAT can then be CONTROLLED by conscious thought
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:39:42
No. You cannot control the unconscious thought. Your
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:42:24
I agree with that to an extent
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:45:53
You are talking about conscious thought, that
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:50:02
From learning, intellect, moraltiy, etc
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:59:31
It does not. Your unconscious mind processes information
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 14:02:04
All thought arises from unconsciousness(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:40:47
OK - I have no problems accepting that
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:42:10
The "you" that you identify with is your concsiouness
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:45:42
The entire basis of law morality and society is that
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:51:22
Thus, the final bullet point
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:52:44
For weaklings and degenerates
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:05:46
How does someone become a weakling or degenerate?(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 14:06:41
good question
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:08:11
She's not going to have sex with you, dude.
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Newcatbirdseat
MU
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7/21 13:35:51
In that last sentence you just captured George perfectly(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:24:10
LOL damn you are stupid and of course dishonest
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:26:45
Those thoughts occur before you are conscious of them
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:21:17
This seems like the tree falls in the forest question. If
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hefeweizen
MU
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7/21 13:26:09
All thought arises from the unconscious
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:29:42
Interesting concept I guess. Not sure I buy it personally.(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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7/21 13:33:58
If you want to explore it further, I'll loan you the book(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:35:36
If it can derail my progress thus far I will probably pass(nm)
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hefeweizen
MU
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7/21 13:37:22
Fair enough(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:39:01
I guess you meant something other than what you actually
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:24:55
Let me do a for dummies 101. The unconscious regions
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:31:25
Those choices are not made by the conscious mind though
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:33:39
No, the conscious mind makes the decision
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:36:10
Even 4Tigs understands
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JG
MU
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7/21 14:07:21
MRIs show the brain activity happening prior to you being
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:37:53
Only in the case of masturbation
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:41:08
I see what you are saying
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:27:42
That makes no sense whatsoever
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:30:49
Precisely, free will is an illusion of consciousness(nm)
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:31:24
“Everything that guy just said is bullsh*t”
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:33:56
Complete nonsense
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:33:26
I'm not going to argue with you
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cnk
ATL
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7/21 13:34:59
It just seems like justifying a guilty conscience
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JG
MU
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7/21 13:40:58
I can control my bowels
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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7/21 13:17:25
Typical cop out excuse from a small mind.(nm)
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Emmanuel Goldstein
MU
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7/21 13:02:54