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RE: I don't see the term "subservient state" in there.

Posted on: February 21, 2019 at 10:27:51 CT
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Thus, the Supremacy Clause does not grant power to any federal actor, such as Congress. It deals with resolving a conflict between the federal and state governments once federal power has been validly exercised.

i.e., it says nothing about "subservience" nor does it magically eliminate all the state powers, laws and independence.

it's a clause which applies if and only if there is a direct conflict between a state and (constitutional) federal law.


your notion of "states being subservient to the federal government" is a gross misinterpretation and belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the entirely of the idea of the republic and its limitations, powers.

Alexander Hamilton, at New York’s convention: “I maintain that the word supreme imports no more than this — that the Constitution, and laws made in pursuance thereof, cannot be controlled or defeated by any other law. The acts of the United States, therefore, will be absolutely obligatory as to all the proper objects and powers of the general government…but the laws of Congress are restricted to a certain sphere, and when they depart from this sphere, they are no longer supreme or binding” (emphasis added).

In Federalist #33, Hamilton added: “It will not, I presume, have escaped observation that it expressly confines this supremacy to laws made pursuant to the Constitution….”

Thomas McKean, at the Pennsylvania convention: “The meaning [of the Supremacy Clause] which appears to be plain and well expressed is simply this, that Congress have the power of making laws upon any subject over which the proposed plan gives them a jurisdiction, and that those laws, thus made in pursuance of the Constitution, shall be binding upon the states” (emphasis added).

James Iredell, at the First North Carolina convention: “When Congress passes a law consistent with the Constitution, it is to be binding on the people. If Congress, under pretense of executing one power, should, in fact, usurp another, they will violate the Constitution.”



Read the original article at TomWoods.com. http://tomwoods.com/what-did-the-supremacy-clause-mean/
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14th Amendment only exists because of coercion. - TigerMatt STL - 2/21 09:31:37
     Congress had no power to deny a state representation - Spanky KU - 2/21 10:20:35
          This ruling suggest that there was some question about that - DHighlander KC - 2/21 10:42:04
               That does not address denying the citizens of a state - Spanky KU - 2/21 10:53:54
                    Doesn't matter. It happened.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/21 11:21:20
                         It was allegedly threatened... but I doubt any smart - Spanky KU - 2/21 11:37:22
                              Did states secede?(nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 11:39:30
                                   No - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:04:28
                                        States didn’t secede??? - pickle MU - 2/21 12:22:10
                                             No. They TRIED to secede, Dumb@$$. - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:26:20
                                                  LMFAO!!! (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 12:27:52
                                                       Do you think the Confederate states were successful in - Spanky KU - 2/21 12:50:47
          Then you ignore history.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/21 10:40:42
     I guess that would be coercion. Guess you guys - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:05:26
          Ignorance (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 10:12:02
     But each state is its own country - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 09:49:22
          you're an incredibly slow learner, or simply unwilling. The - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:01:44
               Neither is the civil war for that matter. South wanted - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:07:49
                    I've never understood the Lincoln love. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/21 10:13:19
                         Use whatever label you choose to create, he - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:22:11
                              You've been brainwashed by gov't schooling. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 2/21 10:32:31
                              It wasn’t and isn’t one country. - pickle MU - 2/21 10:24:42
                         Was Lincoln the original "NEOCON!!"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/21 10:20:36
                              No (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 10:23:26
                    Well that’s an inaccurate summary - pickle MU - 2/21 10:12:41
                    lol, GA, keep doing you (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:08:11
                         Just did..and so did you. I said something, you didn't.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:11:15
                              why repeat it, you'll just ignore it. That wasn't the - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:15:46
                                   Ok, repeat it...what was the basis?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:22:55
                                        Quick Question: If Lincoln fought the civil war to - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:50:56
                                             IOW, you wanted him to attack and initiate conflict and - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 12:20:04
                                        RE: Ok, repeat it...what was the basis?(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:45:01
                                        RE: Ok, repeat it...what was the basis?(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:43:28
                                        and now, put it in context - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:35:32
                                             Screw the constitution, if thats what it took to - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 12:17:45
                                                  GAT, what do letters U and S stand for in USA? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 12:24:21
                                        Start here - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:33:53
                                             Basically nothing I haven't already said.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 12:18:16
                                   Never argue with the guy who was there 90. Does no good(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 2/21 10:22:33
          you’re really struggling. The independent, soveriegn states - pickle MU - 2/21 09:52:50
               A confederation proven unworkable and inadequate - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:10:03
                    GAT, the US today is a confederation - pickle MU - 2/21 10:15:52
                         Every state knew of it, and when and all sent - GA Tiger MU - 2/21 10:27:12
                              Omg - pickle MU - 2/21 10:41:24
               He's confused by historical events that have actually - ummmm MU - 2/21 09:56:18
                    Lol Immune? - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:01:05
                         No you aren’t. And the states are not subservient - pickle MU - 2/21 10:06:34
                         You have almost no knowledge of the text of the - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:04:13
                              Supremacy clause, friend - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:05:17
                                   I don't see the term "subservient state" in there. - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:09:27
                                        RE: I don't see the term "subservient state" in there. - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:09:56
                                             RE: I don't see the term "subservient state" in there. - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:27:51
                                             You need to add the first part of that independent clause - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:12:09
                                                  Can you answer my question here, too. - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:48:59
                                                  The Constitution is the supreme law of the land - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:28:12
                                                       RE: The Constitution is the supreme law of the land - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:52:29
                                                       That’s not what the clause says - pickle MU - 2/21 10:36:48
                                                            Tony Stark:Ultron::States:Federal Gov't(nm) - cnk ATL - 2/21 10:38:22
                                                       So, then it's a matter of what's actually contained in the - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:29:45
                                   LMAO - pickle MU - 2/21 10:07:17
                                        RE: LMAO - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:07:29
                                   it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:06:56
                         no you aren't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:02:07
                              In fact, I have a pocket constitution - MrBlueSky MU - 2/21 10:03:30
                                   I have "how to speak Russian in 10 days" in mine. "Sub - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 10:06:09
                                   And I have a treadmill in my basement. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/21 10:04:33
                                        we moved our dining room furniture to storage and - 90Tiger MU - 2/21 11:49:22
     Sounds divisive. Can't we all just come together and love - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/21 09:48:19




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