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How about criminal penalties for those who use fake ID's?

Posted on: February 8, 2019 at 12:36:32 CT
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https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05immig.html

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday rejected a favorite tool of prosecutors in immigration cases, ruling unanimously that a federal identity-theft law may not be used against many illegal workers who used false Social Security numbers to get jobs.

The question in the case was whether workers who use fake identification numbers to commit some other crimes must know they belong to a real person to be subject to a two-year sentence extension for “aggravated identity theft.”

The answer, the Supreme Court said, is yes.

Prosecutors had used the threat of that punishment to persuade illegal workers to plead guilty to lesser charges of document fraud.

“The court’s ruling preserves basic ideals of fairness for some of our society’s most vulnerable workers,” said Chuck Roth, litigation director at the National Immigrant Justice Center in Chicago. “An immigrant who uses a false Social Security number to get a job doesn’t intend to harm anyone, and it makes no sense to spend our tax dollars to imprison them for two years.”

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said in a concurring opinion that a central flaw in the interpretation of the law urged by the government was that it made criminal liability turn on chance. Consider, Justice Alito said, a defendant who chooses a Social Security number at random.

“If it turns out that the number belongs to a real person,” Justice Alito wrote, “two years will be added to the defendant’s sentence, but if the defendant is lucky and the number does not belong to another person, the statute is not violated.”

The most sweeping use of the statute was in Iowa, after an immigration raid in May 2008 at a meatpacking plant in Postville. Nearly 300 unauthorized immigrant workers from the plant, most of them from Guatemala, pleaded guilty to document-fraud charges rather than risk being convicted at trial of the identity-theft charge. In most of those cases, the prosecutors demonstrated only that the Social Security numbers and immigration documents the workers had presented were false.

Many of the immigrants served five-month prison sentences and then faced summary deportation. The Postville cases raised an outcry among immigrant advocates, because they transformed into federal felonies a common practice by illegal immigrants of presenting fake Social Security numbers and other documents to employers.

The court’s ruling is unlikely to aid the immigrants in the Postville cases. Most of them have long since been deported.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer, in his opinion for the court, said the case should be decided by applying “ordinary English grammar” to the text of the law, which applies when an offender “knowingly transfers, possesses or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person.”
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     Cool. But we’d have to eliminate payments to shiftless - Emoji Man MSU - 2/8 12:57:32
     How about criminal penalties for those who use fake ID's? - Spanky KU - 2/8 12:36:32
          no thanks (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 12:40:07
               Identity theft and perjury are not criminal in Pickletopia - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:14:44
                    how does someone steal an identity? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 13:29:49
                         Try google, dumb@ss! - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:32:20
                              i can’t google your thoughts. answer the question (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 13:38:12
                                   You are a dumb@$$! - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:41:49
                                        how does someone steal an identity? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 13:53:41
                                             Click the link i provided, dumb@$$ - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:06:41
                                                  i’m asking you, not your link (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 14:14:41
                                                       It is not an opinion topic, dumb@$$ - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:27:59
                                                            you’re avoiding. answer the question - pickle MU - 2/8 14:34:33
                                                                 Asked and answered Dumb@$$ - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:40:10
                                                                      why don’t you ever answer questions? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 14:45:01
                                                                           Why don't you read and understand answers? - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:58:37
          RE: How about criminal penalties for those who use fake ID's? - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:37:27
               Since they lied on their I-9...what makes you think they - Spanky KU - 2/8 12:41:22
                    Since Donnie has lied throughout his life and presidency - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:43:07
                         What makes you think he is responsible for checking the - Spanky KU - 2/8 12:54:01
                         You keep deflecting (nm) - Sal KC - 2/8 12:51:46
                              Why do you and Spanky choose to only believe the word - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:53:27
                                   Even though those same workers - Sal KC - 2/8 12:57:17
                                   Becuse the only FACT in evidence is that the illegals used - Spanky KU - 2/8 12:54:59
                                        lol, yup (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:57:18
                                        I guess had Donnie told the truth about ALL his businesses - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:57:11
                                             Link? Bet you fail in finding that claim.... - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:00:27
                                                  RE: Link? Bet you fail in finding that claim.... - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 13:05:57
                                                       That does not show Trump saying anything... that shows - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:09:57
                                                            From Sal's favorite source - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 13:15:55
                                                                 lol, you're just incapable of not lying (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 13:29:59
                                                                      No lies from me. Only from Donnie and his defenders ITT(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 13:51:17
                                                                           So far, you seem to be the only one not making factual - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:31:14
                                                                                Fact: Trump Org has a LONG history of hiring illegal - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 14:36:03
                                                                                     Fact: Illegals have a history of defrauding employer like th - Spanky KU - 2/8 15:11:31
                                                                 NOWHERE does that show the statement you attributed - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:24:55
                                                                      5 out of 565 businesses. Who cares if I can find the direct - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 13:33:29
                                                                           you said above Trump stated. You're just a liar (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 14:25:50
                                                                                I didn't. I provided an article that did. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 14:32:20
                                                                                     No..you didn't. - Spanky KU - 2/8 14:59:10
                                                                           Then just admit you made it up or relied on an unreliable - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:34:32
                                                                                I didn't make it up. Washington Post wouldn't pull that - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 13:38:11
                                                                                     WaPo is legendary for making up stuff - Spanky KU - 2/8 13:43:03
                    "think", no. "believe", yes, and it's because he chooses to - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:42:02
               RE: How about criminal penalties for those who use fake ID's? - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:38:19
     I actually agree on this one. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 2/8 12:30:28
     no thanks. i’m in favor of rights and freedom (nm) - pickle MU - 2/8 12:30:22
          The pope of pickletopia hath spoken. go learn math. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/8 12:41:41
               “i constantly advocate less govt” - pickle MU - 2/8 12:53:46
                    I advocate for things that work. You advocate for nothing. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/8 13:06:21
                         you just said you would’ve supported the interstate system - pickle MU - 2/8 13:32:27
                              a national highway system is good for commerce. Yes or no? - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/8 14:13:26
                                   a national highway system is less gvmt or more gvmt. - pickle MU - 2/8 14:17:01
                                        wasn't the question asked, and since you refused to answer - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/8 15:20:37
     Punish business first, not the illegals . That's your goal? - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/8 12:28:54
     Why can't both of those be addressed - Sal KC - 2/8 12:26:48
          they can; he's being dishonest about the position and - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:29:44
          Sure they can. But it seems that our president has a long - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:29:22
               Then why did you frame the OP the - Sal KC - 2/8 12:50:27
                    The post was a reference to something Trump HIMSELF - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:52:29
                         You aren't answering the question - Sal KC - 2/8 12:55:54
               Then why make up the giant lie and straw man just to make - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:30:58
                    What's the lie? - MrBlueSky MU - 2/8 12:32:05
                         "and management was aware of their legal status" - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:38:03
     trumpers don't care yo - TheShoe STL - 2/8 12:26:14
          Theyare forever grateful for the racism.. - ivan drago MU - 2/8 13:05:43
          You've thrown tantrums and had your ass handed to you - Calca STL - 2/8 12:30:21
          Quit speaking for others falsely. If an employer - 90Tiger MU - 2/8 12:29:09
          Tell us more about how great the Green New Deal - Sal KC - 2/8 12:27:12
               Is that what this thread is about? - TheShoe STL - 2/8 12:30:26
                    You're claiming posters fall in line - Sal KC - 2/8 12:49:48
                         That's not what I said - TheShoe STL - 2/8 12:53:27
               And EVERYTHING Obama did. nm - Sarazen MU - 2/8 12:29:22
     Agreed. It requires secure ID and bio metrics. - Coors4bob MU - 2/8 12:25:52
          show me your papers comrade (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/8 12:34:26




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